• padge@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    14 hours ago

    I’m sure part of it is to stop paying Denuvo the $20,000+ a month fee to keep it active, but regardless I’m glad they’re doing the right thing.

  • Mora
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    86
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 day ago

    Time for another before/after performance comparison, just for an ignorant Denuvo salestwat to say: “Nuh-Uh”

    • azalty@jlai.lu
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      54
      ·
      1 day ago

      Denuvo itself, if correctly implemented, has minimal impact. The thing is most games call it too often or wrongly implements it, which slow things down considerably.

      • Mora
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        69
        ·
        1 day ago

        That may be the case, but doesn’t change the fact, that games run better without Denuvo.

        It also doesn’t change the fact that the activation limit is stupid as hell when you are using Linux and every Proton change counts as a new activation.

        As far as I know Denuvo also hinders the development of native Linux builds of games.

        And if you see video games as art, Denuvo actively stands in the way of preservation.

        Obviously it is anti-consumer as you can’t do backups, need constant internet convection, if any part of the chain breaks you are screwed out of your game, it hinders mod developers and so on.

        • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          21
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          Its only positive, is that the denuvo license is non-perpetual.

          This is what has led to the trend of it getting removed after a while, because if the publisher wants to keep using it, they have to keep paying.

          They aren’t removing it because people hate it, they’re removing it because once launch year has passed, and the crack is out, there’s little reason for the publisher to keep paying denuvo to apply drm.

          Much better than it being on there forever on every game that ever launched with it.

          • azalty@jlai.lu
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 day ago

            Yea, they often want to secure the first month-year of sales as it’s most of the sales anyway. Sometimes there’s some user pressure but that’s really rare.

        • azalty@jlai.lu
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          I don’t need to be convinced. I’m all for DRM-free games and have been using GOG for quite some time.

          Fuck Denuvo, all my homies hate DRMs; but still, let’s not misinform because of our opinions, that would be falling low.

          I’ll be switching to Linux soon, and didn’t know about the activation stuff. That’s going to suck. I’m nearly always staying away from AAA games & games that implement Denuvo, but still, good to know! Thanks

      • zurohki@aussie.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        33
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        Okay, but if lots of games are doing it wrong, it’s still Denuvo’s fault.

        • azalty@jlai.lu
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          20
          ·
          1 day ago

          It’s the developers’ fault, but it’s caused by Denuvo, if that’s what you meant.

          • zurohki@aussie.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            22
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            1 day ago

            No, I mean that if lots of developers are using Denuvo wrong, it’s Denuvo’s fault for being too difficult to use correctly or not providing enough support to developers.

            Even if it’s the developers using it wrong, if lots of developers are doing that then it’s a fault with Denuvo.

            If one car hits something, it’s a problem with that car. If lots of cars keep hitting something, it’s a problem with the road.

            • azalty@jlai.lu
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              19 hours ago

              Could be the case I guess. I’d still blame the developers, I would imagine Denuvo has some type of support & docs to help prevent these issues, as in the end it hurts their business.

            • stephen01king@lemmy.zip
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              20 hours ago

              Somehow the same logic is not applied when people talk about Linux. It’s always the developers fault if something doesn’t work on it, such as multiplayer games, standard engineering softwares, or even computer accessories.

              • azuth@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                10 hours ago

                Because those developers are not actually trying to get it to work in Linux, they are trying to get it to work in Windows.

                Game developers that are licensing denuvo probably are trying to get their game with denuvo.

                Linux intended software does not have the performance issues denuvo has.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                5
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                16 hours ago

                It’s always the developers fault if something doesn’t work on it, such as multiplayer games

                But it is. There’s nothing Linux devs can do if game/anticheat devs block Linux.

                For the rest, Linux does a phenomenal job building compatibility for Windows applications to the point where it’s better than Windows for a lot of old software. But there’s only so far you can go emulating a thing.

                Likewise for accessories, it’s not Linux’s fault hardware manufacturers don’t support Linux and don’t provide the documentation for Linux devs to properly support it either.

                Blaming Linux for any of this is like blaming blind people for not reading a sign.

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        If very many developers integrating Denuvo are making errors with it, it’s because of Denuvo. Their documentation is insufficient or their interface is poorly designed or something. Or maybe their code really is just shit. Most likely some combination of factors. Regardless, I’m not letting them off the hook; this is still their fault as much as it is that of the companies choosing to use it.

    • azalty@jlai.lu
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      I believe Ubisoft also have their own DRM on top but it can be bypassed. Still, annoying stuff.

      • k1ck455kc@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 day ago

        Yeah its pretty bad that ubisoft games have 3 layers of drm - steam, ubi launcher, denuvo.

        It seams like EA is learning and releasing some steam games without the ea launcher, i hope Ubi is next too.

  • Billegh@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    17 hours ago

    Yay? I wish they’d made the game more interesting, but I guess that’s nice.