So what if i just argued that “cocksucker” just meant that you would suck someones cock if you got you something. I.E. you’re easily bribed/manipulated. As far as i know, that’s how most people use it.
That’s literally the implication like 99% of the time. If you wanted to insult someone for being gay, you would just call them a faggot or something lmao. No need to mince words at that point.
Just learn a bit before bothering others with educating you. History matters, the way that this slur has been used historically and presently, is mostly homophobic.
Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
to be clear, the wiki page you explicitly linked literally say it has a historical connotation, and the primary example it lists is from checks notes 53 years ago.
I’m going to hazard a guess that the sentiment has probably changed, a little bit. Since 1972. 1972 to be clear, was 8 years after the passing of the civil rights act. It’s a bit of a different time period now.
anyway point is, i’m not convinced anybody cares about using this as a homophobic slur anymore.
Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
it’s whatever, that’s how the internet is lol. This thread has been more than amusing for me thus far.
“Far-left” and “Democrat” do not belong in the same sentence, ignoramus. Get educated. You can actually read, presumably. Deprogram yourself. You can actually do it. If I could do it at 12, you can do it today
I think you’re getting caught up in the state being abusive and controlling to it’s citizens (as Dump is doing now) and society self-regulating itself for it’s own benefit (something that happens in all social groups) as being one and the same. Just because someone calls out another person’s bad behaviour, that does not equate to supporting a dictatorial, or similarly controlling, leadership.
As an outsider whose overton window isn’t calibrated to US norms, it’s because the “Democrats” aren’t anything like left wing, same as “Labour” in the UK.
They’re both neoliberal centre-right parties masquerading as left wing for votes.
What you appear to be deeply emotionally connecting to “left wing” is simply authoritarianism, which is neither left or right, and exactly the playbook Trump is reading from.
You would be well served to read some political theory explainers that aren’t US based. It may open your eye to exactly how hard you’re about to be fucked over the barrel by those that are supposed to be serving you, not themselves. 💛
What I’m trying to say, oh wise seer, is that you’re voting in accordance to your political views, except the only thing you’d love to see change is democrats becoming as much of edgelord losers as republicans.
‘now sit down’ lmao do you think you sound like a tough guy? Is that what your bullies used to say or something?
First of all, screw the Democrats they are not left wing. They are center right shitlibs, with a few milqtoast standouts like Bernie and AOC.
Second. You correctly look at democrats and see they are just Republicans lite, but your mistake is in thinking that going further left leads to greater power to the state to curtail speech, thought, and action. The left wants liberation. Economic and social. The power of government to celurtail speech is not liberation, it’s oppression.
What have far left (or far right, or even centrist) politics got to do with it? This is about what’s socially acceptable. Yes that feeds into politics and left/right/centre opinions, but I’m not discussing politics (nor was the person you replied to). Which ties in with my first comment that you’re combining politics with social issues erroneously.
Ultimately abuse is, abuse, is abuse, no matter how you dress it up.
One thing I agree with you on is that it isn’t necessarily always abuse, however the original post is about that group of friend’s chat, which I believe is abusive in nature from what has been shared (and hence why so many people have disowned them) and which you turned into (and are still rambling on about) some political somethingor another…
Again, this has nothing to do with politics.
You know nothing about my political beliefs so are shouting into thin air. (I’m not even from the US so can’t even ‘be’ a Dem! Oh boy.)
This has nothing to do with politics, did I say that already?!
Where do they say that they want microphones listening to people? Just because someone doesn’t like some ways of talking, doesn’t mean that they want 1984-style surveillance of everyone.
Yeah, there’s more important stuff, like your well-being. Try to take a pause from social media; you’ll feel better. I recently deleted insta&tiktok and feel much less stressed out.
Calm yourself, man. You seem a little bit emotional there. How on earth do you presume to know my political affiliations when you don’t even know which side of the fucking planet I’m on? Get a grip.
And idk if I’d say it’s a power thing, cocksuckers are the active participant in a blow job, and I’d say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
find me people who suck cock that actually give a fuck about other people calling people cocksuckers and we can talk.
And idk if I’d say it’s a power thing, cocksuckers are the active participant in a blow job, and I’d say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
nobody is arguing that sucking cock is submissive??? The argument is that being a cocksucker is a submissive thing.
Okay but like, in regular penis-in-vagina sex, the man is (theoretically) giving pleasure to the woman while also doing all the work. Is that still power play? Is pussyfucker the same as cocksucker?
Exactly, pussyfucker isn’t an insult because traditionally there was nothing wrong with fucking pussy, but calling someone a cocksucker is implying they’re either gay or a woman
Being submissive in sex can be expressed in a blowjob, but so can being dominant. Most sexual acts can be either dominant or submissive under the right context. For example a person can forcibly (consensually) throw the other person down, pin them to the floor and start going down on them while not letting them orgasm. Is the person being overpowered and forced to be frustrate by not orgasming the one in power?
Your understanding of mutual respect and love is unhealthy if you compare going down on someone to bootlicking.
I think you are missing the point, which is that “cocksucker” should not be used as an insult because it’s homophobic. Even if you personally identify it as a power dynamic insult, it does not change the fact that it is rooted in homophobia and that the OOP most likely used it without any thought as to its meaning and history but rather it just came to him as a viable insult (internalized homophobia)
So, if you were to replace ‘cocksucker’ with ‘towelhead’, slut, Yid, or Nig*** would that still just be a power thing?
Not that it actually makes a difference. This ‘power thing’ you refer to is controlling abuse for self interest. Introducing a predudice is just a way of trying to justify and/or hide the abuse.
No, the discussion was not about whether different words were of equal or differing offensiveness. My discussion is about what saying ‘it’s a power thing’ actually means and how it relates to abusive behaviour.
He could have also said “vaginalicker” but he didn’t, he used a well known homophobic slur. Also, if he wanted to say submissive he could have used well known submissive insults.
Ah yes, “cocksucker” as the first insult to come to mind, the sign of a good person
Why is “cuntlicker” not also a common insult? #equalrights
They should both be high compliments imo
I agree, you cocksucking cuntlicking fatherfucker.
I‘d say fatherfucker is still derogatory - after all, it’s still incest. Fatherhugger? Manhugger?
Well, I don’t think Motherfucker should be considered derogatory.
I don’t think incest is implied. Most fathers of 2 kids are Motherfuckers.
If there was a Olympics on it, I want to excel at cuntlicking.
what about it?
It implies that for a man, sucking cock (a legitimate sexual act for any gender) is an insult because that would make him gay. So Homophobic.
imo the pejorative connotation of that word, and homophobia generally, is ultimately rooted in misogyny
Man, I love cocksuckers I’d get me one of those
Dam I thought it was just a thing boring white ppl say. Imma used that retort.
Or you’re Swearingen from Deadwood. /s
I think I know where he got his name now
ok?
So what if i just argued that “cocksucker” just meant that you would suck someones cock if you got you something. I.E. you’re easily bribed/manipulated. As far as i know, that’s how most people use it.
That’s literally the implication like 99% of the time. If you wanted to insult someone for being gay, you would just call them a faggot or something lmao. No need to mince words at that point.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_(slang)#Cocksucker
Just learn a bit before bothering others with educating you. History matters, the way that this slur has been used historically and presently, is mostly homophobic.
Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
to be clear, the wiki page you explicitly linked literally say it has a historical connotation, and the primary example it lists is from checks notes 53 years ago.
I’m going to hazard a guess that the sentiment has probably changed, a little bit. Since 1972. 1972 to be clear, was 8 years after the passing of the civil rights act. It’s a bit of a different time period now.
anyway point is, i’m not convinced anybody cares about using this as a homophobic slur anymore.
it’s whatever, that’s how the internet is lol. This thread has been more than amusing for me thus far.
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“Don’t be a bigot” = dystopian future
Sound logic
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Mate whenever you need to copy and paste fragments of your comments into other comments you look like a proper tool
“Far-left” and “Democrat” do not belong in the same sentence, ignoramus. Get educated. You can actually read, presumably. Deprogram yourself. You can actually do it. If I could do it at 12, you can do it today
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I think you’re getting caught up in the state being abusive and controlling to it’s citizens (as Dump is doing now) and society self-regulating itself for it’s own benefit (something that happens in all social groups) as being one and the same. Just because someone calls out another person’s bad behaviour, that does not equate to supporting a dictatorial, or similarly controlling, leadership.
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I think you need to work on expanding your political theory into more dimensions
Theory? It’s just vibes-based politics with these people. They don’t actually think lol.
Your comment is good btw; I’m not attacking you
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As an outsider whose overton window isn’t calibrated to US norms, it’s because the “Democrats” aren’t anything like left wing, same as “Labour” in the UK.
They’re both neoliberal centre-right parties masquerading as left wing for votes.
What you appear to be deeply emotionally connecting to “left wing” is simply authoritarianism, which is neither left or right, and exactly the playbook Trump is reading from.
You would be well served to read some political theory explainers that aren’t US based. It may open your eye to exactly how hard you’re about to be fucked over the barrel by those that are supposed to be serving you, not themselves. 💛
Lmao my man here thinks that the American democratic party is leftist, that’s hilarious.
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What I’m trying to say, oh wise seer, is that you’re voting in accordance to your political views, except the only thing you’d love to see change is democrats becoming as much of edgelord losers as republicans.
‘now sit down’ lmao do you think you sound like a tough guy? Is that what your bullies used to say or something?
First of all, screw the Democrats they are not left wing. They are center right shitlibs, with a few milqtoast standouts like Bernie and AOC.
Second. You correctly look at democrats and see they are just Republicans lite, but your mistake is in thinking that going further left leads to greater power to the state to curtail speech, thought, and action. The left wants liberation. Economic and social. The power of government to celurtail speech is not liberation, it’s oppression.
What have far left (or far right, or even centrist) politics got to do with it? This is about what’s socially acceptable. Yes that feeds into politics and left/right/centre opinions, but I’m not discussing politics (nor was the person you replied to). Which ties in with my first comment that you’re combining politics with social issues erroneously.
Ultimately abuse is, abuse, is abuse, no matter how you dress it up.
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One thing I agree with you on is that it isn’t necessarily always abuse, however the original post is about that group of friend’s chat, which I believe is abusive in nature from what has been shared (and hence why so many people have disowned them) and which you turned into (and are still rambling on about) some political somethingor another…
Again, this has nothing to do with politics.
You know nothing about my political beliefs so are shouting into thin air. (I’m not even from the US so can’t even ‘be’ a Dem! Oh boy.)
This has nothing to do with politics, did I say that already?!
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Where do they say that they want microphones listening to people? Just because someone doesn’t like some ways of talking, doesn’t mean that they want 1984-style surveillance of everyone.
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Are u OK dude? Take a ride, go to a park or something, breath air. Your mental health is more important than whatever your podcaster tells you.
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Yeah, there’s more important stuff, like your well-being. Try to take a pause from social media; you’ll feel better. I recently deleted insta&tiktok and feel much less stressed out.
Calm yourself, man. You seem a little bit emotional there. How on earth do you presume to know my political affiliations when you don’t even know which side of the fucking planet I’m on? Get a grip.
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Which one?
its because hes submissive. its a power thing not a gay thing
That’s still degrading to fellators.
And idk if I’d say it’s a power thing, cocksuckers are the active participant in a blow job, and I’d say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
find me people who suck cock that actually give a fuck about other people calling people cocksuckers and we can talk.
nobody is arguing that sucking cock is submissive??? The argument is that being a cocksucker is a submissive thing.
Or you trolling? Or are you actually serious?
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Too lazy to write two separate responses? I’ll try!
“Don’t be a bigot” = dystopian future
Sound logic.
Oh shit, that’s the same message, guess you will have to read it twice, maybe that way it will get through to you.
Tap for spoiler
You can be better, reflect on your bigotry and grow as a person.
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its still at the end of the day giving pleasure to another. giving the key word: power thing. its the same atmosphere as bootlicker
If you think going down on someone is only a submissive act you haven’t gone down on someone long enough, or teased them enough.
thats not what i think im explaining the insult
Okay but like, in regular penis-in-vagina sex, the man is (theoretically) giving pleasure to the woman while also doing all the work. Is that still power play? Is pussyfucker the same as cocksucker?
i mean yeah, pussyfucker if you used as an insult would be quite a weird insult to throw, but it would work i suppose.
Motherfucker is also in the same vein like the other commenter suggested.
pussyfucker isnt an insult ive ever heard but motherfucker is
cocksucker reminds me of the prison mentality of making someone your bitch so thats where im getting the power play from
Exactly, pussyfucker isn’t an insult because traditionally there was nothing wrong with fucking pussy, but calling someone a cocksucker is implying they’re either gay or a woman
Being submissive in sex can be expressed in a blowjob, but so can being dominant. Most sexual acts can be either dominant or submissive under the right context. For example a person can forcibly (consensually) throw the other person down, pin them to the floor and start going down on them while not letting them orgasm. Is the person being overpowered and forced to be frustrate by not orgasming the one in power?
Your understanding of mutual respect and love is unhealthy if you compare going down on someone to bootlicking.
im comparing an insult to bootlicking. jesus christ you people really feel like arguing over absolutely nothing
I think you are missing the point, which is that “cocksucker” should not be used as an insult because it’s homophobic. Even if you personally identify it as a power dynamic insult, it does not change the fact that it is rooted in homophobia and that the OOP most likely used it without any thought as to its meaning and history but rather it just came to him as a viable insult (internalized homophobia)
So, if you were to replace ‘cocksucker’ with ‘towelhead’, slut, Yid, or Nig*** would that still just be a power thing?
Not that it actually makes a difference. This ‘power thing’ you refer to is controlling abuse for self interest. Introducing a predudice is just a way of trying to justify and/or hide the abuse.
im sorry are we equating cocksucker, and the n word to be on the same level of offensive slur?
No, the discussion was not about whether different words were of equal or differing offensiveness. My discussion is about what saying ‘it’s a power thing’ actually means and how it relates to abusive behaviour.
He could have also said “vaginalicker” but he didn’t, he used a well known homophobic slur. Also, if he wanted to say submissive he could have used well known submissive insults.
literally nobody says vaginalicker though? that’s just not the commonly understood variant of “cocksucker”