World Athletics chief say rules will uphold the integrity of women’s sport amid debate over inclusion of trans athletes.

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    Spoken like somebody who hasn’t read a single line of research on the subject. Maybe educate yourself first before believing the “unfair advantage” hoax.

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        Again, read research on the subject. You do not have any idea what you’re talking about. You’re comparing pretransition people to transitioned people. It’s completely different.

        What you’re spouting is the lowbrow kind of stuff a person at a bar would utter “I could run the country better than that imbecile” or “if scientists knew anything about anything, they’d have asked me how to fix the economy”.

        I’m telling you again: read the damn research. You have no friggin’ idea what you’re talking about.

        P.S look up Denning-Kruger

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          “You’re wrong. I’m not telling you why but go read up on it. Also you’re stupid”

          And not a single mind was changed that day.

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            “I won’t change my mind by reading scientific research because I know my bar talk is strong”

            based. stay ignorant friendo

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            Men have a significant advantage over women when it comes to strenght and speed and in most (but not all) cases this applies to trans women as well.

            Nothing about your comments indicates a willingness to change your mind. However, your statement above is the first concrete statement of the thread, so it seems like the onus would fall on you to support the claim, rather than /u/astro_city@fedio.io to refute it. If you make factual claims without evidence, nobody’s especially obligated to provide evidence to tell you that your made-up facts are wrong.

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                  They called my claim that men have a significant advantage over women when it comes to strenght a made-up fact so I backed it up with evidence as requested.

                  • They called my claim that men have a significant advantage over women when it comes to strenght a made-up fact so I backed it up with evidence as requested.

                    Hmm, on re-reading I can see that as being part of what was asked. However, you wrote this,

                    This isn’t about not wanting trans people in the sports and you know it. It’s about the unfair advantage they have over biological women.
                    Men have a significant advantage over women when it comes to strenght and speed and in most (but not all) cases this applies to trans women as well.

                    So I think the real ask is for evidence that post-transition trans women are stronger than cis women. To reiterate, I think the points now requiring evidence are these statements (edited by me for clarity):

                    It’s about the unfair advantage … trans people in the sports … have over biological women.
                    … trans women … have a significant advantage over … cis … women when it comes to strength and speed and in most (but not all) cases

                    I do note that you state that this is not true in all cases btw, so also interested in hearing what you think the exception is (that is, what are those cases where trans women, particularly trans women in sports, do not have an unfair or significant advantage over cis women when it comes to strength and speed).

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                This is what happens when you google something to support your made-up fact, rather than base your argument on the research.

                Your claim was that this applies to most, but not all trans women. Your link provides literally zero support of that.

                This bad faith, scientifically illiterate shit is why people are generally inclined to dismiss you as spewing ignorant bar talk and move on without trying to change your mind. Your stance wasn’t set based on current, relevant research and therefore isn’t likely to be changed by it.

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                  Your claim was that this applies to most, but not all trans women.

                  I made three claims and you called it all made-up facts.

                  1. Men have a significant advantage over women when it comes to strenght
                  2. and speed
                  3. and in most (but not all) cases this applies to trans women as well.
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                    If you want to get pedantic, you have to figure out how to be accurate. Breaking a sentence into bullet points doesn’t make it separate claims. The word “and” means that for the sentence to be true, all of the components must be. You made one claim, with multiple aspects and evidence that does not support 2/3 of them at all.

                    I think the other user had it right, so I’m going to steal this one: stay ignorant friendo