Honestly it doesn’t seem to take very long at all. I watched live as the insurrectionists attempt to overturn democracy in the US during their failed auto-coup on January 6th less than 3 years ago.
Though there was some “it’s not real” talk in the immediate aftermath the idea that it was a false flag, antifa, not an insurrection, not a big deal, just tourists having an afternoon scroll, etc. seems to be growing.
I wonder why the “left wing radical Democrat antifa operatives engaging in a false flag attack to make Trump look bad” marched under banners with Trump’s name, admitted they were doing it for Trump, in some cases ran for office on the Republican ticket, and are actively being protected by Republican politicians.
Pretty astonishing when the whole thing was basically live streamed. I member watching it as it happened
Watching terrorist Ashli Babbitt get shot from multiple angles, then seeing comments from Trumpers like:
- She’s a hero
- She’s a false flag
- She’s not actually dead
- She didn’t do anything wrong
And this is barely two years. Going to bet a decade from now, the misinformation will be worse.
Fun to consider, if these were BLM protestors doing the exact same thing, they would be cheering the loudest.
I bet what would be even louder would be their criticism of Capitol Police for not doing their job. It was such an important proceeding in the very Capitol of God’s chosen country, so they had more than enough justification to gun down all the darkies.
A recent Behind the Bastards on Alex Jones (part 1) has recordings of Info Wars from January 6 - before Jones had had a chance to call in and tell them to shut the fuck up before they got noticed as being complicit
It’s funny (and scary) hearing them being like, “It’s all happening! The second American Revolution is underway! The Patriots have control of the Capitol!”
Jones quickly learned that he needs his listeners to be “panic-adjacent” rather than actually in panic mode. Panicking people don’t buy brain pills.
It was a near immediate campaign to convince people not to believe their lying eyes and ears. I think deep down, the spin doctors know that they’re lying though.
Oh, is it time for that Sartre quote again?
“Never believe that [they] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. [They] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
It’s not that deep. They want power and will lie cheat and steal the entire country to achieve it.
Conspiracy people swing from “I only believe my own eyes and ears” to “I don’t believe even what I see”. Essentially the only reality is the construct in their minds and it will be defended at all costs to protect their ego.
Same thing in Canada with the fucker convoy in Ottawa. Traitors tried to overthrow a democratically elected government, literal fascists were present and Ottawa was held captive by these morons. Conservatives attempt to frame it as fake and a party. Fuck them.
Canadians for Trump is possibly the cringiest moment in Canadian history.
tbf, they were doing that while the occupation was happening
The hell? None of what you just said happened. There were a lot of attempts to make that seem so. Remember the rash of police chiefs resigning and that bullshit with the stolen semi full of guns from a cop shop? The only literal fascists there were the fucking cops you clown.
The facists and racists have existed before Canada was a country but people just keep conveniently forgetting. Except back then they were the ones in power.
Of course, literal records of Parliament don’t.
I was sitting in a control room at work while it was happening and all the conservative coworkers I had were saying “Look at all those Antifa’s pretending to be Trump supporters!”
I’m glad I left that job…
Probably the same people who go “The government is incapable of running anything” and the next thing out of their mouth is how the government is running some perfectly secret massive plot. Somehow it is top secret but people like them know about it.
Yeah they fucking broadcast that whole thing at much as they could. They thought they were the heroes sweeping in to save the day and they would be vindicated.
They are still trying.
We may have ~1 year left of the USA as we know it.
Well, see, the mistake was expecting any of this to make sense. They gave up on even pretending to make sense a long time ago, it is all Gish galloping away now - because, as long as you say the Magic Keywords that make people’s brains make with the angry chemicals, it doesn’t actually necessarily matter what else you say.
I find the opposite more annoying. If your memory of those events is accurate there’s plenty of things to point to to back it up.
But then you have older people like my father who…I don’t know, something has completely rewritten their memories of significant events to the point where he claims many things happened differently than verifiable recorded history. It’s impossible to argue with that because of him seeing me pointing out that’s not true as an attack and accusing him of lying.
My favorite was arguing with a much older (late 70s) friend of my dad’s about how Obama ruined the economy and stock market, and when I told him that was objectively not true and the GFC was in full swing well before Obama was even elected, he was like “I know because I owned stocks and stuff, how would you even know?” Even when I pulled up a graph of the S&P 500 and showed the days he was elected and sworn in, he just said “Oh, that can’t be right, the graph must be wrong”. Showing the DOW and other composites from multiple sources did nothing to convince him. He was absolutely positive his retirement fund was doing great up until Obama was elected.
Yes Jerry, I’m sure that the entire stock market was just wrong, and it’s not the fact you consume nothing but FOX News and will only refer to the 44th president as “The N*gger” potentially causing a bit of bias.
something has completely rewritten their memories of significant events to the point where he claims many things happened differently than verifiable recorded history.
That’s what they want you to think.
Sadly, “they” has shifted from “the gubment” to “the Jews”.
It was weird to read about protests that I attended that were completely different from my experience. That was the first time I realized that no one in the media necessarily eventually gets the story right.
Sadly, even the supposedly left-aligned media in the 5-eyes countries tends to strongly favour the status quo, motivating them to paint leftists protestors in a bad light as the right wing dishonestly media backs Nazi-aligned shitheels.
Sounds like it’s time to stick him in a home
What would you think if your parents say it’s time to put you up for adoption every time you get into an argument? What a fucking weird thing to get upset over and think of throwing your parents away just because of an argument
Educating a child and arguing about things is one of the most normal things in the world. Dealing with an adult who refuses to acknowledge objective reality is a sign of mental decline. These two things are not the same.
Also, my parents threatened to sell me to gypsies (oof, that does not age well) throughout my childhood so…
Sadly, when a significant percentage of the country’s population refuses to acknowledge objective reality, it’s no longer really a sign of individual mental decline.
Like, maybe 30% of the population should be in the looney bin, but that’s in no way practical.
Fr it adult homes make sense for people without children or problematic families, but how can you take a person who has raised you and showered you with love and stick him in a glorified hospital?
but how can you take a person who has raised you and showered you with love and stick him in a glorified hospital?
Because they didnt.
I have no interest in so much as talking to my parents. They did the bare minimum to get me to 18 and that was it. Everything else was for them. So fuck you if I don’t want to give them the same goddamn treatment so I can break the cycle and focus on my own damn family.
Love how you ignored the other part of my comment.
Because they need more living space and socialization with their peers than you have in your home? Have you ever lived in an apartment or condo instead of a single family home out in the country? Was it horrible to live with lots of people your own age instead of with your parents?
My mother in law is busy constantly hosting dinner parties in her condo at the retirement center where she lives. Retirement centers vary based on amount of care needed.
What a weirdly aggressive comment, calm down. It’s a comment section on the internet, don’t get so emotional.
Or maybe someone rewrote the books. I’ve long had a suspicion a lot of the Mandela effect is just people with long memories who missed the propaganda rewrite.
I find it strange that people somehow mistrust all of the news and history of today but think the very same news sources and historians of the past were somehow accurate.
The news is written in a hurry. History is written with perspective. Both are drawing upon the same sources in the modern era except the history has more time to cross reference them. It is only natural that we get a better, clearer version of history as time and research is allowed to work on it.
I’m convinced humans have some kind of natural inherent fetishization of “old knowledge”.
If it happened outside of living memory they somehow knew more or had special magical knowledge we just don’t understand or can’t interpret from our perspective. The older, the more true people can be convinced that it is.
As if there is some kind of “platonic ideal” of thoughts or ideas from which all others are derived from, where the further back something back it is, it MUST be more true
The Romans did this very thing. One of the reasons the Jews got special treatment (pre-Jewish war and exhile) from sacrificing to the Roman Gods was because their at-that-time monotheistic religion was considered ancient and the Romans respected ancient. A huge part of early Christianity involved the Christians trying to convince the Romans that they were the new Israel and therefore deserving of toleration despite refusing to honor the Roman and local Gods (instead of the Jews).
The moment the Christians had real power, they went from begging for tolerance, to crushing paganism and persecuting Jews (who had the gall to challenge the validity of their cooption of Judaism).
No doubt, I’m sure if we pulled up some 2k yo racist screed against Picts or whatever, we’d be like ahhh ancient wisdom we must treasure it, whereas now I just block people lol
I really hope this is just missing the /s at the end.
But in case it isn’t…
Which is more likely? That all the media outlets have gone through all of their records and replaced them with different records and all the books out there have been trashed and replaced with new books saying different things and the internet has been scrubbed of all of the real stories and photos and replaced with fake ones? Or that a few misguided people, who weren’t paying very close attention in the first place, misremembered an event?
All I know is that Fruit of the Loom fucked me up in a big way
I’m still not sure about The Berenstein Bears or Sinbad’s Genie movie…
As an early GenX whose been online since the BBS days this happens all the time but honestly the historical revisionism isn’t main problems, it’s the loss of context around the history.
Reminds me of a Jon Stewart cutaway: “Context. It’s why old people are sad.”
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People today think social media is a news source
Well, traditional news sources have lowered the bar enough that social media isn’t really much worse in a lot of cases. Especially considering how many “news” there is about social media content; it makes it seem that something like Twitter is the “source” that the news is citing. The lines have been blurred, seemingly intentionally so it’s hard to blame people for not having a good barometer who grew up in an ecosystem of generalized enshitification.
Tbh if feels like 80% of modern news sources are just pulling trending headlines from social media and summarizing the top tweets about it anyway…
I’ll also add opinion pieces aren’t news articles
Pictures with text on them contain the most reliable facts
Poor attention skills leading to attention grabbing behavior because of years of instant gratificaion.
I think of it this way. Me, my father and my grandfather all read the newspaper the same way. We all went to the store with cash in our pockets. We all talked to bank clerks. Another thing is that there were a lot more historic dramas when we were coming up. Old style candle stick phones and telegraph operators were a common trope.
You want some context around history…go listen to Dan Carlins Hardcore History.
I second this! I used to make day-long deliveries across the Kansas plains and listening to Dan Carlin wax eloquent about the rise and fall of the Persian Empire or the Rape of Nanking kept me engaged and entranced the entire time.
I still remember the so-called Greatest Generation and Silent Generation falling in love with Reagan, combined with Baby Boomer hedonistic indifference, resultng in liberal Democrats getting ripped to shreds at the ballot box. As an adapt-or-die reaction to Bernie-style Democrats getting electorally decimated in the 80s and 90s, the Democratic Party shifted to the center… and republicans got batshit insane with AM radio and 24-hour propaganda television.
Recent history has showed me in real time how it takes several elections to smash something down… or build something up. Yet there are too many people who seem to believe that one single election is a magic wand that can cure every goddamned evil in politics and society. And if they don’t get what they want, they don’t vote again, or they tune out entirely - “there were elections? I didn’t notice” - constantly putting Democrats in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.
Case in point of Democrats getting bold: LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act into law, and the country got Nixon twice. Democrats lost the entire south electorally for generations, to this day and beyond.
Also, Democrats have to deal with hysterical and/or opportunistic right wing shitheads who abuse their power to sabotage every policy proposal, or even the normal functioning of the government at every level, pointless government shutdowns that paralyze the entire apparatus, including day-to-day essentials like teachers and park rangers.
Fascist bastards who enjoy flirting with visions of dictatorship… as long as they’re the dictator. Who are constantly looking for ways to subvert democracy. Nixon, Cheney, the orange intestinal parasite.This is the math Democrat politicians have to work with whenever making a far-reaching decision.
Complicating the hellish job even further, there’s all those fickle, cherry-picking oh-so-pure voters who demand being catered to instantly and get their “knowledge” from twitter, a noisy drag on the equation.
Since the 90s, the right wing bastards have perfected the dark art of exploiting 24-hour mass media to keep people rabidly ignorant, to divide and conquer with a “politics for idiots” mantra that bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe.
I saw it all happen in real time.
LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act into law, and the country got Nixon twice. Democrats lost the entire south electorally for generations, to this day and beyond.
Does Georgia mean nothing to you? 😭 We trying.
Hi Atlanta! We pray for you. 🙏 But the rest of your state is owned by fuckheads.
Damn, what a summary of the last 50 fucked up years of American politics
I wonder what’ll break the cycle? If we do nothing, we are collectively doomed.
I think things will change for the better when all the people who breathed lead for a large portion of their early lives are all dead.
I feel ya, but I also feel like we should at least discuss a plan b just in case it wasn’t solely the lead…
For years I’ve been telling myself it’ll be better when the old guard dies, but (1) fricking Henry Kissinger lived till 100, (2) new younger shittheels keep popping up and they they’re media literate and experts at feeding white male anger, and (3) legal precedent is fucked for a generation thanks to the current balance of the SCOTUS.
I get this every time someone says “both sides are the same!” Like, I’ve watched who’s started basically every major military conflict in my life, who keeps cutting taxes for the rich and who keeps gutting social programs that would benefit the poor, who keeps trying to remove rights and prevent others from getting the rights they’re owed, who’s tanked the deficit and brought this country to near financial collapse multiple times, etc.
It’s like accelerated around politics in general though. People will still foam at the mouth about how all of the accusations against Trump are just a psyop to bring down their one true god. Meanwhile, he’s standing there holding a selfie cam like “what’s up my true believers, I totally did every single thing they said and I’d do it again twice with your mother and Jesus himself watching.” People out there still saying Trump isn’t a rapist after not only a court of law found him to be one, and -literally everyone has heard a tape of him telling you exactly how to do sex crimes.- But it’s like that for everything. Republicans are just straight up saying shit right into the microphone, and then 30 seconds later pretending like it’s never happened.
I was telling someone much younger than myself that airports didn’t always completely suck to go through. I explained how the TSA wasn’t a thing and the experience was closer to getting on a bus or a train pre 9/11.
He had a hard time wrapping his head around it because he’s never experienced it.
Made me feel very old.
As a post 9/11 adult, moving to a place with really good and smooth flowing train infrastructure made me so frustrated with the stressful and unnecessary security theatre of airports worldwide
Especially since it’s just theater. It’s just to make you feel fucking oppressed. Fuck!
I am legitimately surprised that the TSA has not been quietly disbanded by now
Too many opportunities for skimming off the top to let go.
people won’t fly if they don’t go through the security theater beforehand. they wildly overestimate the likelihood of terrorism because the impact is very high, so if you don’t make them take their shoes off, throw out their water and do a little security dance they’ll assume they’re going to be murdered.
I have yet to meet someone saying thank you while being asked to walk through the metal detector a second time. I think it’s more along the lines of “this decision was never up to us.”
Yeah, those changes came while Constitutional law was suspended. The Patriot Act was a coup in and of itself.
Come the fuck on…
Eh, maybe you’re right. It’s been a while. Still, hard to overstate the raw terror in the first couple years, maybe now it’s just entrenched bureaucracy
people won’t fly if they don’t go through the security theater beforehand
I can’t speak for others, but I would.
Take your shoes off. Take your belt off. Step into the scanner. Is that bottle more than 3.4 ounces? It looks like it’s 3.42 ounces. Throw it out. Put your belt back on. Put your shoes back on. Did you pack your bags yourself? Have your bags been in your possession since you packed them? Take your shoes back off. In 2015 TSA missed 95% of weapons that a red team attempted to smuggle through security. Put your shoes back on.
Or you can pay them $100 and skip the line.
I traveled via airline before and after 9/11, and taking trains still amazes me: I can just walk up to it with my bag and get on??? I don’t even have to go into the station if it’s not between the parking and the platform! (The station I usually use is like that.) Plus the comfortable seat with legroom…
And then you tell them that baggage fees didn’t used to be a thing and you can see their train of thought go off the tracks.
When I was very young, my mother took me and my twin to the airport, us wearing little backpacks.
She then handed us to a flight attendant and left.
The attendant took us to the air plane, sat us down, got us some juice. We sat and colored in books.
The attendant removed us from the plane and walked us towards the exit.
We then ran at grandmother and great grandmother. I’m fairly certain the attendant basically said “these yours?”, they said yes, and we left.
This happened over several summers.
The thought of that happening today is impossible
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On the other hand, there’s my dad defending Apartheid with the defence “you weren’t there”. The whole rest of the world from the time seemed to agreed with me, too, Dad.
I also seem to remember black South Africans being opposed to apartheid - and they were certainly there.
I still regard post-9/11 as an aberration. It feels like if I accept it as the new normal I’ve failed some duty to humanity.
It made the world weird - especially politics. I still attribute the extreme polarization that we see today to the aftermath of 9/11.
Don’t get me wrong, I know people had strong opinions before 2001, but it didn’t seem like political party was as significant a part of the average person’s identity like it is now.
I think there’s a pretty strong case that the polarization started before 9/11 - Rush Limbaugh, talk radio conservatism, and the race for evangelicals had been making US conservatives more polarized since the 1980s. The attacks might have made it more apparent, but commentators were decrying polarization in the 1990s.
I have the same opinion. Gotta wonder if that wasn’t Osama bin Ladens’s plan all along
Life in the USA has never been near as free, affordable, or relaxed since.
And the leftover institutions and policies from the Patriot Act era are still running things.
Nah, the Florida Recount and the SC giving Bush the presidency was the divergent point. More people need to learn about Brooks Brothers riot.
It’s cute that Lemmy already has classic reposts
It’s concerning that people still upvote regurgitated content here. It doesn’t bode well for the future of the website, since there is already so little content here compared to Reddit.
Do you keep a mental database of every post you’ve ever read? Or do you scroll through an entire community until you reach the end?
Because otherwise, reposts or recycled content seem fine, imo…
If you see the same repost 5 times, you will learn to recognize it.
I don’t understand why seeing something you recognize bothers you so much
There was 4 Jeffery Epstines on the grassy knoll that melted the steel beams that killed Malcome L King!
I can’t even begin to dismantle everything that’s wrong with that. To start, the Epsteinsgates event was a false flag perpetrated in response to Hunter Biden outlawing red hats in 2018. Popular video essayist Malcom X. King Jr later satirized these events in his humorous Patreon exclusive of the same name.
Lest we forget
Never forget.
Never forget.
Never fogerty
CCR out here catching strays
For the Zoomers, Malcome King was the lead singer of the Beatles who got shot by Sirhan Sirhan in Atlanta
Okay…I chuckled at that one.
To be fair, with time we can learn about what happened and understand it better than whatever the media at the time thought.
While this is true in some cases I’m still waiting on concrete evidence the moon landing was fake.
Dude went on this long rant to me about the moon landing being fake and then goes “it’s not like I think the earth is flat or anything.”
Last I heard he now thinks we live under a dome or something so that didn’t last long
It’s right there - you just have to do your own research!
/s
I spent the entire 9/11 era screaming at the television. I actually worked in television and got run off my job because of it
It’s not quite a historical event, more of a bit of trivia, but it seems to be common knowledge that it’s possible to cheat at Duck Hunt by pointing the light gun at a light bulb, making it register a hit every time, often repeated as a sort of “look how far we’ve come, those silly game devs in the 80s missing such an obvious exploit.”
Except it doesn’t work. The light gun checks for a frame of darkness followed by a frame of light. If it picks up light when it’s not supposed to, it counts it as a miss because it knows what you’re pointing at isn’t the screen at all. But people in all corners of the internet are absolutely convinced this trick was a thing for some reason.
Some recent cheap, pelt poorly regulated LED lights flicker on and off at high speeds.
Would it work with these?
Well actually pwm is used in everything except really expensive lights. Also if you timed it perfectly maybe?
Oh I mean awful lights like your get from AliExpress where they’ve essentially just rectified the circuit but not bothered with caps so it’s flickering at 50/60Hz.
Ohh yeah. I think thats even better for cheating prob because the frequency is lower but i dont know how the game functions exactly so maybe its harder to cheat.
At best, if it flickers at exactly the same as the framerate (60Hz NTSC or 50Hz PAL), you’ll have a 50% chance. Either you pull the trigger on a light “frame” or a dark one, and it’s followed by the opposite. You can do better than 50% playing normally.
Because the Angry videogame nerd showed it works in one of his videos, that’s why
Memories are worse than research
People are adamant that unpaid days off in the 90s meant people had to work without pay
Yeah, well what constitutes “research” these days is a couple of TikTok or YouTube videos from whatever the algorithm fed you.
Meaningless sentence. Research is a loose definition, memories are loose definition. Research is written by people with memories. Memories are written by first hand research. Words are cheap. Nothing is real
There is no spoon
Reminds me of the time I got a quiz question wrong; who was the first Man on the Moon.
I wasn’t born, but everything I’ve ever read said it was Neil Armstrong, so that’s what I answered.
The idiot quiz master said it was Buzz Aldrin (the second man). In disbelief, I tried to educate them of their error, only for the rest of the room, mainly boomers, to tell me I was wrong. Including one guy in his 80s who said “It was definitely Buzz. I watched it when it happened. I remember it well”.
I asked him “who said the famous ‘one small step for man’?”
Him: “Ahh yes, Now that was Armstrong.”
Me: “Surely Buzz would say those words if he was the first one out. I mean there is literally video of the event. You even watched it live”
Him: “Yes, it’s Armstrong in the video. But Buzz was definitely first out. Who do you think was holding the camera?”
Is this satire? The camera was mounted on the outside of the lunar module
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brittany wilson, @sameoldstory
One disorientating thing about getting older that nobody tells you about is how weird it feels to get a really passionate, extremely wrong lecture from a much younger person about verifiable historical events you can personally remember pretty well
Good human
my kids are five and seven and i’m already starting to get this. i aint ready.
I experienced this when talking with the zoomers in my office. Feeling old aside, the satisfaction I had when I basically said
I was there when the old magic was writtenwas extremely satisfying. Now I understand why the old people loved to do that so much.My 13-year-old loves researching weird stuff from the past on the internet. I actually enjoy it when she comes up with something I already knew about because it’s a chance to educate her further.
My daughter asked me about something that happened back in the nineteen hundreds and I nearly lost it
