• brian@programming.dev
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      2 months ago

      they’re not the government but they are a political party with 15 seats in the parliament.

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            2 months ago

            Irrelevant. Either they’re a political party or an armed militia.

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              2 months ago

              Things are not that simple. Not all of Hezbollah are militants, there are many social workers and politicians

              Hezbollah organizes an extensive social development program and runs hospitals, news services, educational facilities, and encouragement of Nikah mut‘ah. Some of its established institutions are: Emdad committee for Islamic Charity, Hezbollah Central Press Office, Al Jarha Association, and Jihad Al Binaa Developmental Association. Jihad Al Binna’s Reconstruction Campaign is responsible for numerous economic and infrastructure development projects in Lebanon. Hezbollah has set up a Martyr’s Institute (Al-Shahid Social Association), which guarantees to provide living and education expenses for the families of fighters who die in battle.

              Hezbollah holds 14 of the 128 seats in the Parliament of Lebanon and is a member of the Resistance and Development Bloc. According to Daniel L. Byman, it is “the most powerful single political movement in Lebanon.” Hezbollah, along with the Amal Movement, represents most of Lebanese Shi’a.

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                1 month ago

                If the existence of good cops does not disprove that all cops are bastards, since policing as a concept is a corrupt institution and if they were really good cops, they would quit, how can we not say the same about social workers who align themselves with a terrorist organization?

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                  1 month ago

                  Israel does magnitudes more terrorism. Do you consider all the social workers in Israel in the same light?

                  Equating a health care worker within Hezbollah to a ‘good cop’ within the Police Department doesn’t make much sense. Nor does it use any materialist analysis of the situation to understand the context of their existence.

                  Hezbollah only exists because of Israel’s Settler Colonialism, deliberate targeting of civilians (Dahiya Doctrine), and Ethnic Cleansing. There is plenty about them I don’t agree with but that doesn’t change the fact that they are a resistance movement.

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                    1 month ago

                    Ah, so if they’re sufficiently oppressed they get a free pass to do whatever they want.

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          2 months ago

          There are more of them that do than there are that don’t. A militia wing is very common outside the western world.

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            2 months ago

            Really? What happens if they get a plurality or even a majority, would there be a significant risk of a coup?

            Generally speaking, you don’t want to mix your militias and political parties.

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              2 months ago

              In some places yes. In others they’re already more concerned with an ongoing conflict. There are some that just organize their military that way and wouldn’t think of it. Heck that’s the original way of organizing a military.

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        Haha no. Take some time and read up maybe? All the info is available. Heck, maybe hop on a call and talk to some people in Lebanon? Anything. Just stop repeating nonsense.

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          All the info is available.

          But it ISN’T. The US mainstream media constantly lies and the US pushes propaganda all around the world. We’ve been fed disinformation for decades not just since Trump. So I can’t just read up on them without a deep dive in trying to first find neutral sources and read and then evaluate them. If you just read the standard version about them your perception is going to be warped. Like I said, they have bad PR, which really means prevailing propaganda brands them as evil.

          I don’t like their religious views either but fundamentally they are guys in a militia fighting against foreign invaders and threats to their country.

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            fundamentally they are guys in a militia fighting against foreign invaders and threats to their country

            Why do you think this?

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              Probably because Hezbollah maintains that Israel is still occupying Lebanon.

              And they’re right about that.

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                    Yea. The UN confirmed most of the occupied lebanese territories from the six day war were returned. Yes, I know some areas of Sheeba Farms are still contested.

                    I’m curious, if all the Sheeba Farm territories were completely returned tomorrow do you think Hezbollah would retire?