• spyd3r@sh.itjust.works
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    7 hours ago

    Biden’s refusal to do anything, out of this constant fear of “escalation,” is both damaging our standing with our allies, and is emboldening our enemies by sending the message that the US is asleep at the wheel.

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      our allies … our enemies

      Whose allies? Whose enemies?

      No thanks on the “nationalist we”. I don’t care who the state labels as buddy or bad guy. Nationalism is toxic AF.

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      7 hours ago

      no it’s not.

      anyone with eyes can see this is the price paid to have a militarily significant position against the real enemy, Russia.

      sure, there is much gnashing of teeth and shouting of change but it’s all political theater.

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          Israel is a strategic location for the US to maintain military power in both the Middle East and northern Europe.

          The US has access to nuclear capable weapons in Israel and that keeps Moscow in check.

          current leadership in Israel is well known to be sympathetic to Russian influence and is likely tempted by the goal to eradicate all Muslims, something Moscow is likely to allow.

          Should Israel defect to Putin’s regime, the US would lose military influence and superiority in the area and it would likely set the US back decades.

          for Iran to attack Israel, they are forcing the US to make a choice. Publicly commit to be in cooperation with the administration that continuously commits crimes against humanity, or to step away from supporting the admin and thus step away from a strategic point.

          Without the support of the US or Russia Israel will fall, it’s only a matter of time. at that point Iran is in the best position to take over and they will do so through Iraq and Jordan.

          it’s in Russian best interests to support both Iran and Israel to fight so the US continues to focus assets on stabilizing Israel instead of Ukraine. To them, it doesn’t matter who wins or loses. As long as both Israel and Iran play Moscow’s game, Russia wins.

          Furthermore, Russia can use the turmoil and brutal imagery from Israeli forces and sow the seeds of propaganda online of, “look what Joe Biden is doing! Do you want more of this?”

          Russia wants a Trump presidency because they get everything they want. They get US out of Israel, out of Ukraine, and would have a singular position in Germany, which is weak when it stands without Israel.

          It’s pathetic how afraid Moscow is of Harris, especially when they talk a big talk about how big their nuclear dicks are.

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          5 hours ago

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/13/evangelicals-israel-gaza-republicans/

          The only way we got Ukrainian aid was by passing Israeli aid.

          I don’t like it either, but it’s a price I’m willing to pay to stop Russia and China from expanding their despotism.

          I know you disagree and would rather sell Ukraine down the river for Gaza, and good for you, but if Ukraine fell in 2012 domestic pressure on Xi to take Taiwan would be unstoppable, and this is exactly how WW2 started, momentum, we need to make invasion too expensive to contemplate.

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            The only way we got Ukrainian aid was by passing Israeli aid.

            Yes, that’s the problem. Why not fund the defense of ukraine and palestine?

            I don’t like it either, but it’s a price I’m willing to pay

            You’re willing to collaborate with genocidal fascists? Gross.

            to stop Russia and China from expanding their despotism.

            Fascism won’t stop fascism. This isn’t a baseball game. Grow up.

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              1 hour ago

              Thanks for telling us you have no nuanced intelligence, monochromatic imbecile.

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              You’re willing to collaborate with genocidal fascists? Gross.

              There’s something wrong with you, I don’t know if it’s ignorance or what.

              We sided with Stalin against Hitler.

              Fascism did stop fascism, very well in fact, it’s one of the few things that does because only fascists are willing to spend lives like they are.

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    US Gov: Israel, We most definitely do not condone a bombing of these exact sites, here, here and… yeah here and here too, which may or may not contain nuclear weapons. Definitely do not use this cartoonishly large crate of missiles to do that. Also, let us know when you’ve not done that, we might have followup questions and info on other sites you definitely shouldn’t bomb.

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      1 hour ago

      True much better for Trump to let Israel and Russia to “finish the job” on day 1. Imbecile.

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    Uh, bombing one of Iran’s nuclear sites seems like a great way to find out if they’ve actually figured out nukes or not.

    Please don’t. Please. Fucking. Don’t.

    …which of course means they will.

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      Nuclear explosions are difficult to propagate; there’s a balance between too much boom to scatter the fissile material and too little boom to fail to compress enough for a runaway nuclear reaction. It’s one of the key steps to making an actual bomb when you have the material to do so.

      So don’t stress about that, stress about the next 20-40 years world wide.

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        That’s kinda the opposite of what I’ve heard. Making a really basic nuke is easy, it’s getting the material (which Iran has, mostly), and making one of the city-flatteners that’s hard.

        Regardless, my concern is that Iran might decide to throw some nuclear material, functional or not, at Israel in retaliation for bombing their nuclear program.

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      nuclear warheads have an arming process that makes them active.

      after all, you wouldn’t want armed nuclear warheads sitting inside your country would you?

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        You’re assuming Iran doesn’t sling one at Israel intentionally in retaliation for targeting their nuclear program.

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          Iran would never do that because they are literally in the fallout zone. if they did it would be their last resort, and even then it would be an act of MAD.

          Screenshot_20241003-145230_Firefox

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    13 hours ago

    Biden says he won’t support a lot of shit that Netanyahu does. Then Biden goes on to support the same shit he said he wouldn’t support, without condition or hesitation.

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    17 hours ago

    Biden hasn’t done shit to reign in Israel or show any indication of stopping support for a genocide, why would it matter what he says here when it’s not under his control.

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    Oh no! Will he do a Susan Collins frown and then keep supplying the very weapons he KNOWS will be used to do it again? He’s so MEAN to the fascist apartheid regime! 😭