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Fucking everyone wants Trump because he’s so fucking easy to manipulate.
Iran and China are hesitant on him. Iran because he might be stupid enough to actually start a pointless war that’s in no one’s strategic interests, not even the US; China because he can be bribed, but he also swaps to the opinion of the person who last spoke to him, which makes him unpredictable (and thus makes it difficult to establish any policy that deals with the US as long as he’s in power).
What can you say? He’s a Salesman, sure he ‘might’ of destabilised the world for a bunch of consecutive paydays, but he made profit!
What a champ! /s
And obviously all the US’s traditional allies, although it might have been implied they weren’t in the question.
but he also swaps to the opinion of the person who last spoke to him
Oh so he’s my husband /s
Still kind of surprised there hasn’t been a poisoning attempt on him yet because of how much his ego thrives on being buttered up
Wasn’t that why he loves fast food? It’s easier to target the White House supply chain for a precision poisoning than to try to hit every McDonald’s in a 50km radius and hope to get lucky.
No he just likes McDonald’s
They tried but the McDonald’s additives neutralizes the poison
Have you seen the current genocider tho?
Surprising absolutely no one except for the staunchest and blindest American Zionists.
American zionists are overwhelmingly christian and overwhelming support trump.
Fascist is as fascist does
Surprising Biden, who went on TV and told the world that he helped do the genocide for Bibi and should be appreciated.
Like I said, staunchest and blindest American Zionists.
“He meddled several times during the Clinton administration…
…supported fundraisers in Israel for then-GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election
…in 2020 he was all-out for Trump.”
all that meddling and he has fuck all to show for it lol. hopefully that is a good omen for 2024.
Fuck all to show for it? Democrats literally can’t tell him “no, stop doing genocide” or they’ll get primaried against “centrists” with twice their cash.
Centrists support genocide because AIPAC pays to rid them of progressives.
netanyahu != aipac
I’m sure the fascist who refuses to leave power has nothing to do with the official bribery arm of the state of Israel.
I think it’s meant more as “Bibi, specifically, has failed to get the ideological allies of Bibi into power” rather than “Israel has failed to ensure that both parties are ideological allies of Israel”
The distinction is important insofar as Netanyahu’s alliance with the GOP is concerned, as opposed to the general bootlicking attitude of American politicians towards Israel.
Damn, full support for a genocide that is unpopular with their own electorate, and this is the thanks they get? If you’re willing to lose due to principles, at least make them good principles.
It’s not genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing/stealing land. If all the Palestinians left for some place else, Israel would not pursue them to exterminate them, they’d just steal their land. It’s Palestinian land that Israel is stealing. The Palestinians are just in the way.
You just described a genocide, like one of the plain text definitions of a genocide. Mass murdering a group of people to steal their land.
Doesn’t matter that you’ve made up a hypothetical fantasy scenario where they aren’t caged in cornered, but have free movement, it’s still a genocide.
Oh, and they aren’t free to leave, they are caged and cornered.
So you’re wrong, and you’re wrong again.
The Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are people who live in Palestine, and are from many ethnicities and religious professions. They are being murdered because of where they live, not technically because of their ethnicity. If they all left of their own accord, Israel would not pursue them to murder them. Israel is murdering them to steal their land. Hence not genocide.
Did you really just say that if the indigenous inhabitants simply left their homes and wandered into the desert, then Israel wouldn’t be forced to commit a genocide?
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I even touch on “Forced to commit genocide”? So shut the fuck up. The Israeli’s are choosing to do this. The Israeli intent is to chase non-Jews out of the land they want to steal. Israel is committing a different crime against humanity other than genocide. The Israelis are choosing to commit ethnic cleansing. The ethnicity of the people in Gaza who aren’t Jewish doesn’t matter to the Israelis. They just want them gone, chased out or murdered, no matter what their ethnicity or faith if they aren’t Jewish. It doesn’t make any difference to Bibi. And as long as that’s what Israel is doing, those who supply the means to Israel need to stop providing those means.
By what definition
Wiki
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][2]
Dictionary
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Cambridge dictionary
genocide noun [ C or U ] UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ Add to word list the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:
So by what definition do you add ‘land’.
Cases of genocide brought before the ICJ aren’t based on Merriam-Webster, or the Cambridge Dictionary…
They use ratified international agreements, such as the CPPCG
After you said ‘plain text definition’. Now you’ve moved the goal post to a treaty.
The United states holocaust museum has a pretty good ‘plain text’ definition of genocide, which perfectly captures what the Israelis are trying to do to the Palestinians as genocide.
The article also has some useful ‘plain text’ descriptions of ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, mass atrocities, mass killing and war crimes.
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/definitions
The astute reader will notice that the Israelis are actually guilty of all of these mass atrocities as part of their attempts to genocide the Palestinians.
Genocide is defined as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
The acts are:
- Killing members of the group.
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Except for perhaps the last point, there’s no person that could argue that Israel has not perpetrated these acts against the Palestinians.
All that leaves then is the intent aspect of genocide.
The Israelis are very open about their desire to destroy Palestine. Law4palestine has a collection for quotes from current and former legislators which capture their genocidal intent:
If you don’t feel like reading through that, here’s an excellent summary of other evidence of Israel’s genocidal intent from Jewish Currents:
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
*Edit: added the link to the legislators list. Left the decision makers list as it just serves to hammer the point home
Served. Absolutely served.
Yes, the plain text of the international treaties that define genocide…
By what rationale do you group people who live in Palestine together as a particular group- because they aren’t. Israel wants Gaza, and they want everyone there who’s not an Israeli gone. Either chased out or murdered. It’s not like the extermination of certain Native peoples carried out by the US government in the 1800’s where they were obliterated for what they were.
With all the good will in the world, my friend, you need to look up the definitions of genocide. Pursuing a population to exterminate then is NOT a prerequisite for genocide.
what’s the point of this argument even if you’re right? fuck what Israel is actually doing, I don’t care what it’s called. Fuck them
Lmfao THAT’S GENOCIDE DOPEY
Out in the real world, Hamas committed genocide on October 7. Israel is in Gaza in an attempt to destroy Hamas and free the hostages that were taken on that day.
“Genocide Joe” is just a meme spread by internet cranks that’s a very tiny minority of voters, insignificant compared to the number of voters that know the difference between a war and a genocide.
Israel’s “attempt to destroy Hamas” has killed tens of thousands of children. Stop apologising for genocide. You cunt.
Hamas committed genocide. Y’all are trying to use the bullshit “both sides” strategy on actual genocide to to give cover for the monsters in Hamas. You’re only fooling yourselves with this bullshit, society is rightly ignoring you for your disgusting behavior to get internet points by exploiting the suffering of real people.
If you actually cared about Palestinians you’d be demanding Hamas release the hostages. But you don’t want that to happen because you get sick entertainment from the suffering of Palestinians that Hamas provides to you by continuing with their war crimes. You’re ghouls.
No they didn’t. They committed atrocious war crimes, but not genocide. Israel committed genocide.
There’s no both sides to this, only the oppressor, Israel, creating an environment where Hamas is inévitable.
If you really cared about Palestinians you’d stop dropping tower blocks on their children.
Hamas went into villages and everyone they couldn’t carry back to their underground lairs they butchered. Murdered women and children. This wasn’t people catching stray bullets from a firefight or getting some shrapnel from a nearby explosion. This was monsters beheading people and desecrating their corpses. Playing with the decapitated heads of their victims because they were told to by their superiors.
Any why? Because they weren’t of the ethnicity and religious group that Hamas thinks should be living in the area.
That’s genocide. The only reason the number killed wasn’t hire was because Hamas didn’t have the capability of killing more. The willingness to do it is most certainly there.
And this wasn’t planned by some rogue splinter of Hamas. This was planned and executed by Yahya Sinwar, the current leader of Hamas. He and the rest of Hamas need to be brought to justice. If that’s not possible they need to be killed. They are genocidal monsters and should not be allowed to continue existing on this planet.
To you the word genocide is just a propaganda tool. You don’t know what it means to actually be against genocide. And because of your lack of concern over an actual genocide occurring, you’ve strayed to be on the same side as genocidal monsters. Making excuses for them, spreading their propaganda for them. Carrying water for genocidal monsters.
You are pro-genocide, whether you know it or not. You may feel that by being the first one to cast judgment on others makes you immune to being judged yourself. But it doesn’t work that way. You are being judged for your support for the real genocidal monsters of the world.
Mate. I know what genocide means. It’s not murder or slaughter, as bad as they are, it’s:
the deliberate and organized destruction of a racial or ethnic group, either in whole or in large part, by a government or its agents.
Stray bullets and shrapnel? TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DEAD, you fuck. One in TEN Palestinians in Gaza have been murdered by the Israeli state.
It’s you who is being judged for your support of genocidal monsters. I’m not on here arguing for Hamas. Fuck Hamas. You are on here arguing for Israel.
Let’s not forget they are trying to starve the people of Gaza to death.
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Damn this guy is pro-genocide wtf
Hamas committed genocide on October 7. They should be destroyed for that crime. You’re pro-genocide because you want Hamas given a pass for their genocide.
what’s it like having other people chew your food for you
Who’s chewing for who now
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.
Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas’ strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices… In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.” Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
Making genocidal statements isn’t the same thing as committing a genocide, ya dingus.
imagine putting so much effort into being wrong when that effort could go to learning
Buddy I don’t think you know the meaning of genocide if you think Oct 7 was one. Or not happening now
Haha Hamas did a one day genocide gang /s
fuck off smfh
They’ve been firing rockets at Israeli population centers for more than a decade. Just because Hamas has shit rockets and Israel has invested billions in protecting their people from them doesn’t mean Hamas hasn’t been trying to kill as many Israelis as they can. And on one day Israel’s defenses against Hamas slipped up and we saw the result.
how do you feel that bibi funded Hamas and took moves to make that situation the case and also what about the fact Gaza is an open air prison? any thoughts on that?
how do you feel that bibi funded Hamas
Weirdo conspiracy theory. People thinking that because Israel negotiated with Hamas in the past, that constitutes “funding them”. This is actually an argument against Israel negotiating with Hamas for a ceasefire right now if you apply critical thinking to this weirdo narrative.
also what about the fact Gaza is an open air prison
October 7 proved the necessity of building a fence to try to prevent Hamas from doing cross border raids and also proved the necessity of a blockade to prevent them from getting weapons. Obviously the fence wasn’t effective, but arguing against efforts to prevent Hamas from crossing into Israel and killing people is not something any rational person would continue to do. But that’s the nature of all of this isn’t it? You’re indoctrinated into repeating the same slogans over and over again, and even when it becomes obvious that the slogan makes no sense anymore, you continue repeating it because you’re unable to think about the meaning behind the words and are unable to adapt to any change in the situation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
October 7 proved the necessity of building a fence to try to prevent Hamas from doing cross border raids
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/GAZA-WALL-.jpg
“fence”
It’s an open air prison. It is an apartheid state. That “fence” and the laws around it are meant to keep people in, not out.
What the fuck are you talking about? Lmfao A Wikipedia page and a photo just shit on everything you said.
Oh look. It’s the inner monologue of every last centrist.
The IDF killed more Israeli civilians than Hamas did on that day. They do not care about their people when it comes to being hostages.
That is not known. It is known that the IDF shot at many of their civillians in Hamas captivity either with complete disregard for what they are shooting, or deliberately to avoid them being used as bargaining in hostage dealy.
The exact numbers however are unknown and before there can be an independent investigation, the extent will never be published. I wouldnt be suprised if the IDF and Israeli government have a good idea of the numbers, but they for sure will try to bury them.
I know theres no proof yet but to me, Hamas had good reason to keep their hostages alive, they also thought it would help keep themselves alive. Israel was the one who wanted the hostages dead rather than hostages.
Just based on incentives alone, not even considering the difference in firepower, I’d say its more likely hostages were killed by IDF than Hamas.
But they continue to suck his dick regardless.
It’s the sweet ketchup scent in the diaper that keeps them coming back time and time again.
What the fuck is this and where do I buy one? How do I set it on people? Does it need their scent or does it have a little slot where I can insert someone’s picture and it’ll automatically home in on them?
I see you’re already familiar with our portfolio. The previous model required an item of clothing, preferably a shoe, in order for the target to be “serviced” correctly. This version simply requires a photograph of the intended victim’s unadorned foot. Right or left, the BawlSac™️ cares not.
The Democrats are only sucking Israel’s dick by proxy. They’re actually just sucking the dick of the military industrial complex, because America is a corporate plutocracy masquerading as a democracy.
Israel’s just a long time benefactor of, and contributor to, the MIC. Their existence = weapons contracts.
Gee Whiz … pretty easy way to solve that problem. STOP SENDING THEM AID AND WEAPONS!!!
I mean seriously, it’s like complaining about stepping on rakes while continuing to sprint through a field of rakes.
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Why would that stop them from trying to interfere in the election?
Ya force them to use unguided artillery shells! /s
They gonna do anything about it or continue to bend over backwards?
I’m betting just more finger wagging while competing to be the most pro zionists in Washington
The DNC as a whole have been trying to remove PACs and undo Citizens United, which alone would gut Netanyahu’s influence in the USA.
EDIT: Since this is somehow controversial, the AIPAC is a pipeline of campaign funding directly from Israel. Democrats have on several occasions pushed bills that would overturn citizens united which fail to pass both chambers of congress including HR1 For the People Act
If they punlicly declared that they consider AIPAC a foreign influence agent, stop taking their money and start investigation for how it is a foreign influence agency, they wouldnt need to change any laws.
They could have madea point of how they had enough and how the Reps are selling out the US to foreign influence. Instead they still take the money happily.
AIPAC is a pipeline of campaign funding directly from Israel.
Direction and Policies come from Israel, bit does money come directly from Israel?
Semantics but I suppose its fair criticism of my poor wording. The direct source of AIPAC funds comes from American Donors, and how or when those organizations or inidividuals got the funds isn’t publicly disclosed.
But it is a lot of fucking money for sure.
I’m waiting for the strikes on Iran.
Because they don’t want another nuclear deal.
No no, they’ll just go ahead and lose and blame Russia and Jill Stein… Probably throw Bernie under the bus too just for shits and giggles
Well, duh.
Wait, isn’t Harris pro-Israel?
Both “parties” compete over who’s the most zionist.
This is emphatically false. Like… Literally just a lie straight from the “both parties” crowd.
The democrats are currently pressuring Israel and pushing back politically (weakly, since they seem afraid of piss off voters and hand everything to Trump).
The Republicans fully support everything taking place right now. 100% support for Israel and this Hitler-esque leader of Isreal.
“No administration has helped Israel more than I have. None, none, none,"
Joe Biden like yesterday
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The democrats are currently pressuring Israel and pushing back politically
How is Israel being pressured? Do you mean phone calls where Biden asks bibi to chill then sends him everything he wants anyway? That’s not pressure. Pressure would be putting conditions on arms transfers and Biden won’t do that so the only thing separating Ds and Rs on this issue is a very thin veil of rhetoric that no one believes anyway
The democrats are currently pressuring Israel and pushing back politically
Saying “Hey, bud, don’t do x, is I’ll be real mad at you,” and then going “Gee, you did what I told you not to. Well, here’s a few billion dollars more weapons for you, so you can keep doing what I publicly asked you not to do.” is not pressuring them, it’s attempting to give plausible deniability to people who feel bad about supporting a blatantly genocidal state, and to fool the folks who take soundbites in the news at face value.
Current Democratic pressure amounts to fuck all outside of a handful of legislators who are demonized by the centrist and right wing factions of the party. To say otherwise is to either deny reality, or else willfully misrepresent it.
The democrats are currently pressuring Israel
Do you suppose they could pressure me? I could use billions of dollars with no strings attached.
Tom Cotton has all but said Netanyahu should kill every Palestinian, which is further than even Netanyahu’s own far-right partners will go in public.
You suspect?!
Considering how much money AIPAC has donated to get rid of any progressives that were critical of the genocidal Israeli government, I’m not surprised. I’m sure they’re getting even more desperate as as they need money and arms to continue the war started because of the governments sick violation of international law.
He needs a reality check. Israel is in need of a punch in the the teeth.
that’s what he wants to avoid
First off, this isn’t a secret, and it’s not new.
This is just more of the same, the press going the extra mile to give reach-around cover and misdirection for the failed policies of the current administration, or rather, their actual policies, which have lead us to where we are.
You are incredibly misinformed if you believe the conflict in the Middle East is caused by the Biden administration. No matter who is the president, the US will always support Israel. Trump is loves to pretend he will fix something to get votes because his pocket book depends on being president.
I’m not informed…?
No US president in history, from either party, has been this hands-off with Israel. Period.
And I didn’t say war, I said situation, as in the nonstop spiraling of events, without as much as a waiver in US support: diplomatically, militarily, or financially.
The fact that you don’t know that, shows it’s not me who is misinformed.
Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.
Wait, so you’re saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration…?
Again, I don’t think it’s me who’s under informed on this issue…
No one said it was Trump. The US has been giving financial aid to Israel for over 50 years. You are misinformed because you believe Trump will fix it. News flash he was already president and he didn’t fix shit.
…what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict… That’s the same as saying Trump is to blame…
And just because I’m rightfully assigning blame to Biden, the current sitting US president and self-proclaimed biggest support of Israel, doesn’t mean I support Trump.
Feel free to creep on all of my comment history, my political leanings should be pretty self-evident.
Don’t you feel gross telling people that if they say Biden’s policies have allowed the situation to get out of control, it means they support Trump?
I mean, you do understand that ultimately Israel is our client state and entirely dependent upon our aid for their survival, right?
They literally could not be prosecuting this war if we stopped shipping them weapons, and they would never have attacked Iran if we didn’t have our CSG and accompanying missile destroyers sitting in between them.
Point the rest of us to where anyone in this thread said that Trump’s actions started the Israel conflict rather than just escalating what was already going on.
Not saying that the situation is good.
Only one candidate is going to make this worse for Palestine, as a political favor. Recognition of the annexed West Bank.
https://forward.com/fast-forward/618034/miriam-adelson-funding-trump-israel/
Me: post factual events
You:
Wait, so you’re saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration…?
Me: Who are you arguing with here? It isn’t me.
…what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict…
I said they were escalations in the conflict
Dude, we’re talking about whether Biden is to blame. Please keep up.
Oh! Which candidate does he prefer??
