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Does Trump not know what a tariff is? Or does he know, and he is deliberately misleading his followers?
He likely understands what a tariff is well enough. His problem is that he either doesn’t understand the implications or chooses not to communicate that part to voters.
Trump couldn’t even spell tariff let alone define it.
Just read estimates his tariffs would cost the average household 7600 annually. I told my folks and they didn’t understand why I thought it was funny. I told them they wanted this.
It’s like Brexit, but in America.
this looks truthy
Sometimes in order to learn something is bad you need to experience it.
I posted a meme last week before the election about a lot of my fellow Americans being depressingly ignorant and a bunch of people got pissed off about it.
I’m just saying…
Yeah, a lot has been said about why the ‘Democrats’ failed; sure they were/are imperfect.
Where are the articles bemoaning our stupid and/or mean citizens who have no curiosity and think being obstinate will work like a time machine? I’m frustrated to hell with apathy of my countrymen.
“Democrats” is too vague to be meaningful in this discussion. I do put a lot of blame on the DNC organization for deenergizing their base, but also the working class for not understanding basic economics and being taken by a carpet bagger.
Their ignorance is equally as valuable as your knowledge. To them, anyway.
Both sides-ism in a nutshell. Nailed it.
Maybe it’s because I took economics as far back as high school, but even just from reading high school history books I knew what a Tariff was. How the FUCK did they not know that?
I am also willing to bet that they will eventually blame the democrats for breaking the system, as they always do.
Maybe thr PA education system didn’t include things like the great depression
One thing that fascinates me is that Trump’s definition of tariffs seems more like the definition of kickbacks.
As he was (is?) a landlord, he may also think of it as seeking rent, like how malls get rent from the stores inside.
Or a tax?
As a foreign asset, I think Trump is just actively performing a proxy war to drain the US of money, power, and resources for Russia. If you think he’s going to be doing anything else - lol.
It can be both. Lying is more convincing when it’s felt as truth by the liar.
There’s a fair portion of people 21+ that have difficulty playing blackjack because they can’t add to 21. Last night I was asked by a grown man what 9+1+3 is.
You’d be surprised how incompetent some people are.
Even if you’re competent at arithmetic in school, those skills can definitely atrophy. I say this as someone who’s unreasonably slow at basic arithmetic despite being an ex-mathlete; I got complacent because I’ve been learning and using graduate level maths, so I thought that would keep me from getting rusty. Nope — it turns out that basic arithmetic that you’d use in daily life is a different “muscle” to the kind of maths you use in academic research (which is obvious in hindsight)
I can’t imagine how much I’d be struggling if I didn’t have a good foundation to be starting from
You aren’t alone. Historically before calculators were common, engineers and mathematicians would actually have books with basic arithmetic answers already done, or they would hire people (usually women) called ‘computers’ (no joke, that’s what the term was used for before computers as we know it were invented) to do the basic calculations for mathematicians so they can focus on the more complicated stuff.
So even a highly talented mathematician from the 1910s and 1920s would still struggle as you do.
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Math anxiety is real tbf, I can add that up real fast without the pressure of someone looking at me waiting for me to solve it, but the second another person is watching I can’t even think about the math I just obsess about how I should be solving it faster and how they now think I’m dumb because instead of doing the math I’m thinking about this bullshit and it’s taken 10 whole seconds which is a lot longer than it sounds…
Holy shit. I never put this together.
Last time I was at a casino I kept asking myself: who honestly thinks any of this is a good idea, or thinks that any of these are “games” in the conventional sense? Now I know.
Edit: I have also been confronted with people that simply cannot do addition, period. It’s wild.
Funny you should mention a casino. Remember when Donald Trump bankrupted multiple casinos? That is actually quite impressive given how often casinos attract people even during recessions as they get stressed and desperate.
The quickest and easiest way to win at a casino is not to buy in, don’t play. You’ve got the right idea!
I worked in customer service for 7 years. I am aware… so very aware…
To give you an idea, when I worked for Verizon mobile, it was a few times a week that I came across a client who did not know how to hang up their cellphone calls. No joke. It took such a while to get them off the hook it wasn’t funny. And if you ask me why I wouldn’t hang up on them, it was because Verizon had a strict no hang-up policy. You were not allowed to hang up on a client no matter what. It was grounds for immediate termination.
Maybe it was a HR call to test your patience with customers
Some companies have already said they’re going to pass the extra cost onto consumers, so while the companies will pay more, they’ll make a lot of that back from the consumers that can still afford the products.
Electronics will probably be the hardest hit, with prices of cell phones, laptops, and game consoles increasing quite a bit.
Medical devices too.
Low inflation statistics have been helped significantly by cheaper electronics. So everybody who voted Trump to lower inflation is in for a surprise.
especially seeing how trump intends to treat Taiwan, home to TSMC
They’ll find a way to blame everyone else when all the Chineseium junk on amazon suddenly isn’t so cheap.
Good thing I got a new computer now. They’ll just blame democrats (who do have a lot to blame for not countering the bullshit of the Republicans over the past 45 years) for it and insist that the tariffs would have brought prices down if they were done without democratic interference…
This tells me the information pipe to voters is broken, and hacked.
People live in their own social media realities. There has always been ignorance, but it’s never been so widely personalized. And Trump and the GoP played it like a fiddle.
And just watch, the Dems are going to learn precisely nothing from this and campaign like it’s the 1950s again, thinking policy was their problem.
Silicon valley: Here is a device that makes it possible to exchange information to everyone, everywhere, immediately.
GOP: Oh, you mean I can disseminate anything I want? How about lies? That’d be neat.
Silicon valley: No, not like that.
One thing that I observed is that the right wing had/has the more progressive campaign, from a technology and media use standpoint. The DNC, on the other hand, was still more or less using the same moves they had back in the 1990’s, relying on extinct concepts like the fairness doctrine, debate performance, and journalistic integrity of news outlets (fact-checks anyone?).
It’s not just the Overton Window that has moved: our information diet has completely changed too. To win at politics today, the entire landscape has shifted to propaganda, bombast, showmanship, clickbait, and leading the 24/7 news cycle by the nose. You must be louder and more interesting than the other guy. I think it’s possible to play that game ethically though, without disinformation, but what’s clear is that billionaire-owned media isn’t going to do it for you anymore.
Silicon Valley is laughing all the way to the bank enabling this.
They are the root cause, because no one told them they aren’t allowed to rot brains with relentless engagement optimization. Modern politics would still be bad, but it wouldn’t be so apocalyptic without the monsters they built.
The sheer stupidity of the dems is kinda astonishing. The reason why Obama won is because he had a goddamn narrative. Yes we can! Change you can believe in! It’s almost like they were onto something… then they did nothing.
Dems learned nothing and are all out of ideas!
I’m honestly elated, let the leopards feast
Hope you don’t get bit too.
Oh, we’re all gonna get bit.
Something something Hunger Games begin
It’s sad to see that the people that do the most honest work are always being played by people doing the most dishonest one.
I get where you’re coming from, and I sympathize with what is sometimes referred to as “low information voters” (though I don’t know how I personally feel about that term), but it’s important to point out that they are not NO information voters. They have heard at least some of what Trump has to say, and are willing to overlook blatant racism/fascism/misogyny/homophobia for what they think will be lower costs (or another either equally empty promise or overtly harmful promise). I am not by any means well off, but if someone said they could decrease my costs if I assented to rounding up X group, I would not take that deal. They have. They might not know the extent to which he will do others harm, but they are willing to take the deal because they do not think it will harm them directly. Hence the leopard/face jokes. They might be doing “honest work”, but that does not make them good people (though “some, I assume, are good people”).
I have family that voted for Trump who would be classed as “low info” and they only know he’s “gonna put god back in schools”. They don’t go out of their way to physically injure people different from them, but it’s clear that not only do they not care about those people, they want to force them to conform or leave. Imho, that’s not indicative of a good person. In fact, it’s often indicative of a bad person. Say what you want about “different values” or how dems are more open minded or whatever the studies show, at a certain point, conservatism makes you a bad person.
Sure, we can debate about where that line is, but the further back you want to “conserve” the worse you are in my experience. Wanna go back to the 90s? Probably economically motivated, but willing to throw the lgbt+ community under the bus. 70s? Them and women are not important to you. 50s? Just blatantly racist at this point. Anything before that and they might as well want to bring back ownership of people. At the end of the day what are they trying to conserve? Their own power. They just differ in who they’re willing to trample to take it back.
I think what a lot of Americans don’t want to admit, as imperialists, is that our relatively good quality of life was because we grave robbed and enslaved people for it.
When people say that there’s economic booms after wars - that’s not like, from no where. That’s from all the dead bodies and looted countries. We sifted through pockets and took their change. And that’s not better for growth or the economy than just keeping everyone alive btw - it is far superior to just keep everyone alive, educated, and fed and they will produce goods for the economy without sacrificing local people (eg Irish potato famine). Like healthy societies don’t engage in war.
We could be getting played by some random person on tiktok showing an unsubstantiated claim from another random person.
I’m not saying it’s definitely fake but don’t just blindly believe this when spreading stories without evidence is the EXACT sort of shit dishonest people do. They’re eating the dogs, etc.
Story of my life right there.
And it’s sooo typical of their hyper-inflated personal and national egos:
They didn’t wonder for one minute why on earth foreign companies would pay up. For the honor or doing business with the greatest country on earth tm? Because they’d have no choice of other buyers, since no other countries has car / computer / whatever manufacturers who’d buy their products instead?They. Are. So. Fucking. Insular.
It’s simpler than that. They have literally no idea what tax incidence even is, and think the government just decides who the burden falls on.
“Build a wall and Mexico will pay for it” you’re right
“Greatest country on earth” sorry bud, just lost that title.
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They being Americans?
There was another post about how Americans unfairly generalize Russians (or others) for the things their country does, and how hypocritical it is, implying we would get defensive. Well here I am, an American, reacting to my people being generalized:
Nods
Agrees
We are like that, and did this to ourselves.
It’s not just Americans, remember the Brexiteers realizing that due to Brexit, they need a visa for their Spanish holiday, and they have to stand in the “rest of the world” line?
We will see a bunch of “this is not the Brexit I’ve voted for” to come.
We will see a bunch of “this is not the Brexit I’ve voted for” to come.
No, they’ll just continue to blame dems, immigrants, and anyone else under then sun except for their godemporer for the mess they voted themselves into.
I’m reminded of the old white lady who straight up said to a camera last time, “he’s hurting the wrong people!”
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Most people on this planet are dumb as shit. More at 11
Wow, the turn around time on that was fast.
Life under Trump in 2024 will be orders of magnitude worse than life under him in 2016. It won’t take long for Americans to begin to feel strong consequences of the election result.
Yeah he doesn’t care to win our votes for re-election this time. It will be very bad.
I guess I forgot some people knew what to expect from a second Trump term and would plan accordingly. It would have been nice if this guy had sat these people down and had this talk before the election.
Perhaps telling all his employees that if Trump won he’d cut their bonuses would be taken as attempting to threaten their vote?
Except the president also voted for Trump.
How about a seminar on tariffs though.
Guise, I’m struggling. Part of me says…let them all burn for their “fuck around and find out”.
But I know that isn’t completely right. I just, am, so, angry (and sad).
Will probably choose the let them burn route.
I say let it rip.
I say you can enjoy watching the fire, since you didn’t light it up.
On the other hand, there’s nothing you can do anyway, so the only option is to let them burn.
You. I like you.
The anger stems from their ignorance.
“Fuck around and find out” is literally the only way to learn in “basal” levels of intelligence.
Hmmm basal or basilar? I would have said basilar but now am not sure.
Basilar seems to be the medical “Hardware” Term while Basal is the psychological “Software” Term… now I want to know how the neurologists coin their Term.
I’m just making popcorn for the show when leopards start eating faces
And there will be more people lining up to have their faces eaten, too. They will love it.
