A while back I came to the conclusion that “games for experienced players only” shouldn’t be a thing that exists.
Roleplaying games are, at their heart, about sharing in a story together. At least, thats the version of them that I enjoy. And I’ve found time and again that people who know nothing about roleplaying games enjoy that too.
Enjoying stories isn’t something we need experience to do. We learn it as children. The storytelling part, that takes a little bit of learning, but if you do things right, if you run the game in the right way, and manage your players in the right way, you’ll find that learning process is very, very quick.
Roleplaying games should have a learning curve that’s measured in hours, not years. They should be for everyone, and if you do it right they are.
I’m not one of them, but I empathize with all the GMs that are just sick of dealing with those particular kinds of misconduct that crop up with new players.
Games of experienced Players should exist. DMs/GMs invest tons of hours/years into the game and have equally much world building in which someone can immerse themselves. Now you have a newbie at a table you never had experienced that said world, concept that are second nature to the experienced players and DM/GM are foreign to them and need to be explained… In much detail. So while the experienced players immerse themselves in the deep pool the newbie stands in the kiddie pool. Sure both types of players at the same table roleplay, but it’s just not on the same level.
So on the other hand. Games for newbies should exist as well. Games with a patient and understanding DM/GM.
Maybe a bit of a hot take, but if your world needs to be explained in great detail and can’t be experienced with minimal background information, the world building might not be that great.
I think people have radically different ideas about what “minimal background information” is.
Some people think the Silmarillion is a suitable primer for their setting.
Some people have like one paragraph for the big picture, and one paragraph for each major faction.
There are players that would say both is too much.
I think a couple short paragraphs should be enough for a quick start for a custom setting, but I’ve had players that just refuse to read anything at all. As someone else said, it’s makes it really hard to do some sort of stories if all the players are utter neophytes/amnesiacs/from-another-world/etc
I tried to do a game of Vampire once, but the players refused to read anything about the setting. All the political intrigue fell completely flat because they didn’t understand what the different factions were looking for, nor did they understand how vampires worked.
That group might have just been kind of bad players, but I feel like bad players are more common than good. By “bad” I mean “doesn’t think about the game very much, doesn’t retain anything about the story or rules”. They couldn’t really do anything more complex than a simple dungeon crawl.
A while back I came to the conclusion that “games for experienced players only” shouldn’t be a thing that exists.
Roleplaying games are, at their heart, about sharing in a story together. At least, thats the version of them that I enjoy. And I’ve found time and again that people who know nothing about roleplaying games enjoy that too.
Enjoying stories isn’t something we need experience to do. We learn it as children. The storytelling part, that takes a little bit of learning, but if you do things right, if you run the game in the right way, and manage your players in the right way, you’ll find that learning process is very, very quick.
Roleplaying games should have a learning curve that’s measured in hours, not years. They should be for everyone, and if you do it right they are.
I’m not one of them, but I empathize with all the GMs that are just sick of dealing with those particular kinds of misconduct that crop up with new players.
Games of experienced Players should exist. DMs/GMs invest tons of hours/years into the game and have equally much world building in which someone can immerse themselves. Now you have a newbie at a table you never had experienced that said world, concept that are second nature to the experienced players and DM/GM are foreign to them and need to be explained… In much detail. So while the experienced players immerse themselves in the deep pool the newbie stands in the kiddie pool. Sure both types of players at the same table roleplay, but it’s just not on the same level.
So on the other hand. Games for newbies should exist as well. Games with a patient and understanding DM/GM.
Maybe a bit of a hot take, but if your world needs to be explained in great detail and can’t be experienced with minimal background information, the world building might not be that great.
I think people have radically different ideas about what “minimal background information” is.
Some people think the Silmarillion is a suitable primer for their setting.
Some people have like one paragraph for the big picture, and one paragraph for each major faction.
There are players that would say both is too much.
I think a couple short paragraphs should be enough for a quick start for a custom setting, but I’ve had players that just refuse to read anything at all. As someone else said, it’s makes it really hard to do some sort of stories if all the players are utter neophytes/amnesiacs/from-another-world/etc
I tried to do a game of Vampire once, but the players refused to read anything about the setting. All the political intrigue fell completely flat because they didn’t understand what the different factions were looking for, nor did they understand how vampires worked.
That group might have just been kind of bad players, but I feel like bad players are more common than good. By “bad” I mean “doesn’t think about the game very much, doesn’t retain anything about the story or rules”. They couldn’t really do anything more complex than a simple dungeon crawl.
It’s okay to do one shots for experienced players if you’re play testing something. But otherwise I agree with you.