• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    From the same people who scream and bitch and moan about their right of free speech. It’s only their right apparently.

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      Can you name one person who’s discussed free speech who was also involved in this firing?

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        I can’t name anyone who fired her and you know it. You also know that Elon Musk literally claims to be a “free speech absolutist” and then censors people who disagree with him and his fans are all in support of that.

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          There’s also not a word from muskrat denouncing her being censored and fired, which is hipocritical, to say the least, from a “free speech absolutist”

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          I can’t name anyone who fired her and you know it.

          Correct. It was mostly a rhetorical challenge.

          Given you can’t name these people, you were obviously speaking outside your sphere of knowledge when you said:

          From the same people who scream and bitch and moan about their right of free speech.

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            You are really trying hard to protect Musk and his Nazi followers, but I’m afraid you’re not doing a good job of it.

            EDIT: I love that the modlogs are public.

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              Yikes!! Now we’re entering the phase where the Nazi salute is being dissected since they need a fucking microscope to suss out the differences.

              “Oh, he didn’t repeat the German phrase?! ROMAN SALUTE, LIBTARD!!1” 🥴

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              Actually I’m attacking your predilection to simply make stuff up and have it be accepted so long as it fits the narrative.

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                The person making things up is the person saying Elon was not giving a Nazi salute in the most convoluted way possible.

                That would be you.

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    A lot of people here thinking the USA is speed running fascism here.

    No, the USA was always an inspiration to fascism (just ask the remaining Native Americans as an example).

    That’s why it was able to adopt into it so quick. Not that hard to change a car to gasoline if it was already running on diesel.

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      Not that hard to change a car to gasoline if it was already running on diesel.

      Is almost a good analogy, but that’s not so easy 😅

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      Before WW2 broke out, the New York Times LOVED Mussolini. They kept pumping out articles about how much of a cool guy he was.

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      What if we called the original people Americans, and the newcomers immigrant Americans?

      Clarity: Native American -> American

      American -> Immigrant American

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        And due to the transitive property of humans, if we follow this through to its logical conclusion then native Americans are immigrant Americans too

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          Which is why “indigenous” is the best word in my opinion. Not just for the indigenous Americans, but for indigenous people the world over. It’s generally understood to mean “pre-colonial.”

          Edit: The only exception I can think of is that the Vikings settled Greenland before the Thule (who became the Greenland Inuit), but Danes are not considered indigenous and Inuit are. Maybe because the Vikings that settled there all left or died out and also maybe because the Vikings and the Thule settled different parts of Greenland and had very little contact with each other even when they could clearly see each other across a fjord. The very Christian Vikings of that era were probably quite reluctant to interact with people they saw as heathens.

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          Not really. Those are human made concepts, so you must start from the inception of the concept of immigration. Good luck finding the exact date, since it predates written language :/

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            Well since dates are human concepts as well we can just state it is immigration date 00/00/0000. Are the months or days first? That’s up to you, haha. You make a good point, but you understand what I mean. If we consider immigration only being the integration into another state permanently then we would have to say we had mostly open immigration into the U.S. until the later parts of the 1800s. The first 99 years there were no real immigration laws here. (So roughly 40% of our history had no immigration restrictions for the most part)

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    Everything they accuse china and the opposition of doing it something they do or want to do themselves.

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    They really are speedrunning fascism this time around. They did have plenty of time to prepare out in the open and gained public support with no long term repercussions.

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      Had to do some memeological research; that’s Yeon-mi Park, a North Korean defector on the Joe Rogan Podcast saying “in North Korea …”

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        she makes up shit about how bad life in is NK, like “we have to get out and push the train when it stops”

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    It’s a problem that the purge of those offended by nazis/oligarchs hinting too close to naziism is this early.

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      The Nazi speedrun all around the world scares me. It’s like they are competing with climate change, for who gets to kill us first.

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      Oof… just because the Russians are our enemies now, doesn’t mean they were Nazis during world war II. They fought the Nazi a lot longer than America did for sure.

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        Yeah they fought the Nazis - but first they made a deal with the Nazis to divide eastern Europe and went on a campaign of rape and plunder. You should look into the atrocities committed by the USSR during the 20th century - Germany paid a heavy price for their evils. Russia never did.

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          Yeah, the non aggression pact, trying to save what was left of Poland. (Guess where the Jewish people fled?) Its not like it was the only country(which unlike others, had reasons, tsarist regime and the civil war are not great for neither the army nor people) which was wishing to isolate itself from expanding Nazi Germany, not like US was neutral(and the businesses were allied) regarding Nazi Germany till last moment. And no, Germany did not pay a heavy price, just the rhetoric about Muslims in the German politics today can say that.

          Also, I would like to mention, the fight against Fascism was done by the SOVIET PEOPLE, not only by Russians (my human waves!!!), this alone says a lot about your knowledge of history…

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            Also, Britain and France signed a non-agression pact with the Nazis too, and not only that, they sold out Czechoslovakia (who they were allied to) in exchange! Meanwhile, the Soviets had previously sought agreements with them against the Nazis which were rejected.

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            As I said in another thread: the Nazis absolutely paid the price - they were subjected to war crimes trials, had their regime disassembled, and their country carved up and occupied by the allied powers for decades. How is that not a heavy price?

            Meanwhile the USSR was subjected to nothing of the sort - it was actually the opposite, they were allowed to keep and drain the resources of all their conquored territories (even those unrelated to the Nazi regime).

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          The Soviet Union lost 27 million people fighting the Nazis, wtf is this Nazi apologia?

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              I won’t deny that they did some awful things, but to be like, “At least the Nazis paid the price” is completely whitewashing the atrocities that the Soviets suffered at the hands of the Nazis, it’s absolutely Nazi apologia to say that.

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                Sorry but you really need to do more learning. It is absolutely not apologia, it’s the facts - the Nazis paid the price by being subjected to war crimes trials, having their regime disassembled, and their country carved up and occupied by the allied powers for decades. USSR was subjected to nothing of the sort - it was actually the opposite, they were allowed to keep and drain the resources of all their conquored territories (even those unrelated to the Nazi regime).

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                  Except for all the Nazis who were recruited in Operation Paperclip, of course. Or the one who went on to become Head of NATO. Or all the Nazi companies like the one that manufactured Zyklon B and is known today as Bayer.

                  Are you sure it’s not you who needs to do more learning?

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              It’s an objective historical fact that the Soviets lost 27 million fighting the Nazis. If that’s Soviet apologia, then I guess reality has a Soviet bias.

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            How many millions of that 27 million were shot by their own commissar for retreating, or from being used as cannon fodder in mass human wave attacks, where the hope was the Germans would run out of ammo?

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              You should do actual historical research instead of believing baseless and ridiculous propaganda. Tell me, where did you hear about any of those claims? Let me guess, Enemy at the Gates?

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              Of course, “Russians are also subhuman and only used human waves”. The sacrifice of the tens of millions of the Soviet people towards defeating fascism was to be never forgotten. Yet here we are… While the USSR struggled to fight a major financed power (Nazi Germany was actually in pretty good relations to the US and British businesses, example is Ford), after having a civil war, and trying to scrape by with whatever bullshit the Tsarist Regime has left to them. US tried to stay isolated from the conflict, because they if anything, had better relations with the Nazi Germany than with the Soviet Union.

              This comment is disgusting, people died defending not only their republics from fascism, but liberated others. And you boil it all down to " Human Waves", simple historical research will prove you not only wrong, but also racist. (Guess who invented the “Russian human wave” myth?) I wish for you to reconsider your frankly racist opinions…

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        doesn’t mean they were Nazis during world war II.

        Tell this to anyone in Eastern Europe who is not a Russian ;)

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      This comment has so many levels of unintended irony and missing the point that it is genuinely making me laugh my ass off.

      Behold, the least propagandized people in the world.

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        It was a cheekey comment, you are reading too much into it.

        I am aware how our dearest regime disposes of wrong think…