The only people it makes sense to, for Canada becoming a US state, is the people in the USA.
We have land and resources they need, that we are happy to sell them, year over year.
Also, just to mention, the dairy thing? Yeah, that’s on dairy products beyond a certain cap. It’s there to encourage the use of Canadian dairy, instead of relying on foreign dairy… You know, so our dairy farmers don’t go broke.
Looking at the records, that import limit has been hit… Carry the one… Yeah, exactly zero times.
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Sincerely,
- Canada
I’m in the US and making Canada a state makes 0 sense to me
That’s fair. There’s still sensible people in the USA.
I was a little unclear before, the set of people who think this makes sense is entirely within the set of people in the USA. Which doesn’t and shouldn’t imply that all people in the USA believe that this makes sense.
I apologize if there was any implication of lumping all Americans into the same pool of stupidity. That’s an insult to you and I am sorry.
Have a good day neighbor.
Saw this years ago and honestly couldn’t be more fitting today.What is actually wrong with this asshole!?
He’s a fascist
we should increase export taxes on all fronts to the US, until they agree to stop this bullshit 51st state crap etc.
I think there should be a ratcheting structure, like an additional 5.1% everytime it’s mentioned publicly by his regime.
It’s just an old person yelling at his tv (phone).
There is no weight behind it, even if he is the President. His job is to sign here and smile for the cameras. Nothing more. He doesn’t make policy or have original thoughts, he just signs it.
The dumbest part of the 51st state nonsense, is Canada is very left leaning (compared to the US, even their right wing would probably be considered on par with Democrats here imo). Making Canada the 51st state would ensure he never wins an election again, but it seems like he’s not too worried about the whole election thing moving forward. I guess when you gut CISA, and probably stole the '24 election you aren’t worried about getting votes…
Also, the land mass of Canada would have to make it like 10 more states. It’s already 10 provinces. It’s just ridiculous.
The only thing that makes sense is for Trump and Musk to take a rocket car to Mars.
Check out the new community !canada@50501.chat
Also, !canada@lemmy.ca
Fuck you Trump
as an albertan,
sorry
Because they’re giving into Russian propaganda
Russia is fighting in a war against the world and nobody cares.
Stop both siding this nonsense.
That’s not what is happening. I know it’s upsetting that there are people who believe differently than you do. That’s what this article is about: that there exist people with some truly upsetting opinions, and furthermore, that we know a bit about their demographic make up.
The more you platform them the more voice and visibility they get, which ends up drawing support for this 51st nonsense. I don’t care to learn about the ignorant mindset of traitorous pieces of shit. They should stop voting for policies and parties that privilege the rich. But they’re too dumb for even that.
I don’t care to learn about the ignorant mindset of traitorous pieces of shit.
How the fuck else do you hope to… no, never mind. We’re not having a discussion, you’re just making emotional expressions. But I will say that this model of yours that says people do these things because they are stupid or “dumb” might help you cope emotionally, but it prevents you from reaching any genuine insight.
But I will say that this model of yours that says people do these things because they are stupid or “dumb” might help you cope emotionally, but it prevents you from reaching any genuine insight.
I’m not the person you were responding to but I just wanted to make perfectly clear that you are 100% full of shit.
It doesn’t give anyone ANY measure of “cope” that so many people are fucking stupid. Its terrifying, despairing, and awful. I would rather delusionally believe I could convince them of rational stances, now that would be cope.
You should probably… idk, actually read what they said.
Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.
Yes, approaching discourse this way and believing that you can achieve any kind of middle ground is delusional.
I can unequivocally say that anyone entertaining the idea of Canada as a state as a good idea - is a fucking tool. Yeah I’m going to write that off. There’s no middle ground with people too dumb to realize they would be much worse off in that scenario.
Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.
You don’t know fuck all how much I’ve done precisely that. I obsessively debated various political and economic ideologies for like a straight decade of my life in invite-only forums specifically designed for such debate. I changed my own mind over time, and changed other people’s minds. I’ve done it.
But I promise you, the people supporting these ideas proposed by the Trump administration are not just stupid, but WILLINGLY IGNORANT for their own selfish purposes. The amount coursing hatred I feel for them burns like the accretion disc of a quasar.
They are not people I would bother to debate. They are quite literally just my enemy. Mortal enemies. I don’t want middle ground with them. I want something else.
There is a very important difference between “platforming” and “reporting” and you really should to learn what it is before you start policing people.
Platforming is perhaps the wrong term, maybe “selective reporting” and “cherry picking” fits better.
You should look up what that word means
I recently met two Albertans out here in South Korea at a bar. They were on the other side of the bar from me, and when they walked past, I greeted them as an Ontarian and offered to shake their hands. They both declined the handshake and proudly announced, “We’re not on the same team.”
That was a few weeks ago. I’m still disturbed by it. I knew Albertans had a reputation because of the politicking there. But I hadn’t realized it would be so blatant. That same night, two South Africans happily asked me my thoughts on Trump, and I was perhaps too honest in my first statement, and they grew upset with me and insisted he was good for Canadians and South Africans, both.
I left the bar not long after. Haven’t seen those four come back, so there is a bright side to the story, at least.
They refused to shake your hand because you are from Ontario? What the heck… they need mental health care.
Yeah you don’t get that in Alberta through
Well, that’s comforting to hear!
Its a low taxed province, which could mean lower services. Oil fields, and trucks. It attracts the type of person that cares about themselves rather than society. (I’m generalizing of course, there are good people there also) There’s a reason we call it Northern Texas, and it’s just not because of the cowboy hats.
That’s just Alberta…
Angry that we’re not freezing in the dark.
Lol they should fucking stay in South Korea. They are definately in the minority, it’s a larger minority then most of Canadas opinion but goddamn they are still a minority. Should have told them to never fucking come back
No, I don’t want them here, haha. This is my future home, I don’t need that nonsense here! It’s also my friend’s bar, so I don’t particularly want to ruin business for him. But I did talk with him about it later.
ADDITIONAL 25% Tariff, to 50%, on all STEEL and ALUMINUM COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES FROM CANADA,
My company:
Has two shops 1 in Canada and 1 in the US; US shop now solely handles all American related jobs while Canada handles any job globally, besides the US.
Real smart play here ol trump
“Let’s kill all the jobs now for a few new kinds of jobs that probably won’t come to fruition” -Trump, American genius.
Trump became President and I decided to start the process to get guns.
Conservative Americans in shambles reading this as they find out that we do Infact own guns in Canada and are proud to own them. We just don’t get all fucking pussy about not being able to own fully automatic ones with 50 round magazines lol.
Liberal American here, for a long time conservatives here have miscalculated how well armed many of us are. The anti-gun crowd (not to be confused with gun control) are just the vocal minority on the issue, giving the impression that liberals hate guns. My gun safe begs to differ, and I own more guns than any conservative I know.
Say it louder; get disqualified from gun ownership. You’re not allowed to own guns because you think one day you might shoot people with them.
I GOT A GUN TO SO I CAN HUNT ANIMALS BECAUSE LEARNING TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND SHARING FOOD IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
Surely you could grow more food than you can hunt.
Don’t forget to practice regularly.
He’s gonna fucking invade, isn’t he?
It’s difficult to invade when in a recession and you have to deploy military against your own citizens to protect Tesla buildings.
The USA needs congressional approval to officially go to war against another sovereign nation. Like with Afghanistan or Iraq. BUT Republicans control the house and Senate, and sure if they’re that fucking delusional they could vote for it. But with that being said, it would 100% rip America apart and they fucking deserve it. Not only would we not put up with that shit and I would gladly shoot any foreign soldier on our land, it would mean the Russians getting exactly what they wanted.
Americans reading this, GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER or you or your friends are going to start fucking dying on our fucking land for no other reason than a fat orange fucks vanity. You will be ostracized by the developed world and I for one will never fucking forgive you.
As an American who has avoided joining the American military because I’ve been afraid of dying in a war, I’m almost leaning into wanting to join the Canadian military at this point. As I’m much less afraid of dying now that I’m nigh suicidal and Canadian sovereignty sounds like a viable cause to actually fight for.
Remember kids, we’re one of the reasons the Geneva Conventions exist. A surrendering soldier is a dead one.
They voted for this. So I don’t have any sympathy for them saying Trump doesn’t represent them. He does. They go on and on about how they’re the greatest country in the world, and how their government is ‘of the people, by the people, for the people’. They’re more responsible for the actions of their government than any other nation is for theirs.
And the American mentality is that their pride will never let them admit if they’re wrong. So even though they may know that talks of annexation and taking away our country are beyond offensive, they can’t say it. They have to say that it’s for some greater good that no one else can see, even if they know it’s BS. But the problem is, short of NATO putting troops in our country to help fight off an invasion, I don’t know what would stop the US from just trying to take whatever they want in the name of ‘freedom’. And the funny thing is, on the Cato Human Freedom Index, which measures a person’s person, economic and civil freedom, we rank higher than the US. We’re #11, and the US, the leader of the free world, is #17. So how are they the ‘freest nation’ in the world? Why would we downgrade ourselves by joining them? We wouldn’t. No one would. Unless it was by force.
I’ve said this before, and I meant it then; the mentality of the US is that they’re basically a r***** telling their victim that if they lay down and let them (USA) have their way with them, they won’t get hurt. THAT’s the US right now. They’re our neighbours, but they’re NOT our friends. And they probably never were. They just finished hurting other nations, and decided to turn their attention to us.
Yup. But there is zero fucking chance we would let them take this place willy nilly. I will die before I yield any land to these facist thugs. As our countrymen and women fought before us, we will remain the true north strong and free, or we will DIE to defend it. The dreams of this great country of ours will never die
Absolutely. I honestly think one of their reasons for talking about annexation, and why our country, isn’t ‘viable’, is because they know our country is better than theirs. But rather than try to course correct aspects of their own nation that they know are messed up, they’d rather tear down ours. It’s pride and their inferiority complex.
They keep going on about how they’re the ‘greatest country in the world’, but they have things happen in their country that don’t happen in Canada, like mass shootings, school shootings, class inequality, poor or non-existent social safety nets, and a culture of needing someone to hate, or ‘other’. The US says that those bad things that happen in their country are unfortunate, but unavoidable in the ‘freest country in the world’, yet, right next to them, on their northern border, is our country. Canada. A country that ranks higher than theirs on the Cato Human Freedom Index.
A country that doesn’t have school and mass shootings anywhere near the scale they do. Do we have inequality? Yes, but not to the same extent they do. We have more social programs that, while not perfect, do work to try and protect the more vulnerable. And our health care is seen as a right, rather than a for profit business model.
Our very presence next to them is a contradiction to their argument that
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they’re they best in the world, (they’re not) and
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that whatever horrible things that do go on in their country, would happen in any other western nation. (they don’t).
They have to try and undercut and undermine us. It’s the only way they can convince their own people that they’re still the best; by kicking down and trying to tear down any country that isn’t as messed up as theirs.
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Previous presidents have famously committed acts of war without the consent of congress. Including assassinations and drone strikes on civilians.
Oh 100%. But for a full fledged WAR? It takes a lot of congressional and public will power to do that. Just saying that for them to go ahead and declare war so easily with zero public insight, would cause them to rip themselves apart
The US has not “declared war” in decades. That’s early 20th century talk.
No, he’s not. Even if he could get congressional approval, which is highly unlikely, the military would have to comply with the order. The likelihood of that happening, I can’t even fathom.
He’s just a fat ass blow hard making noise.
The National Post is a US billionaire owned right wing propaganda rag that most Canadians wouldn’t wipe their ass with. If they’re saying this it’s a warning that should be heeded.
We are a large, rugged country with huge areas to hide in full of large rugged people with guns.
We are a large, rugged country with huge areas to hide in full of large rugged people with guns.
Okay, but, so? We’re still occupied. People still died. Survivors are still traumatized. If it gets to the point where we’re living in caves on the escarpment and doing guerilla raids on Hamilton, WE HAVE ALREADY FUCKING LOST EVERYTHING OF IMPORTANCE. Get guns, fine, but I’ll be filling out my application for refugee status.
Some people hide under the skirts of old women. Others fight. I won’t fight for oil or profits but I will fight to defend the best country in the world.
He clearly wants Canada, but it’s not clear he wants it that bad. If he thinks more expensive electricity is a nasty move he’s probably not too hot about stuff and people blowing up.
I suspect the next few months will be a lot like the past one for Canada. Not better or worse.
Looks like. All the signs are there and steps have been taken in preparation. The forcing of Canadians to register and get finger printed in the next 30 days was the icing on the cake. Now we wait and see how this unfolds.
Canada is doing some stuff as well. here is the official govt release about the move.
I’m no economist but here’s the best explanations
I read so far about what Canada is doing with this move (post-Carney’s arrival I might add).
I don’t see how he could. Too many people in the U.S. like Canada, the domestic support would be near nill.
Maybe if he had 6-10 more years to drum up support.
A lot of people in the US will say they don’t support it, and will speak out against it, but when the forces deploy, the American people won’t do anything to stop it. They won’t stage walkouts, or take actions that will cripple their economy at home in protest, because it will cause them inconvenience and pain.
They’ll just say they’re against it, that they’re morally outraged, and will offer ‘thoughts and prayers’. Nothing more.
Some of them will enlist.
The problem is this harmful and terrifying idea of annexing Canada will remain even after trump is gone. Vance is a young dude, him or whoever is the successor will advance Trunps policies and priorities, after the next president even. Canada needs to shift away from the US long term.
Is it bad that I want him to try?
Historically, the US has never acquired territory by force, and even then Emperor Clementine would need a 2/3 majority vote in the Senate to ratify and prove the annexation was legal, which I doubt he’ll get.
F*ck around and find out, as it were.
I dunno, is it bad that you’ve brainwashed yourself and are now actively radicalizing yourself? It’s a judgement call.
Historically, the US has never acquired territory by force
Fucking What
Was your historian a rabid white supremacist who pretends none of the Indian Wars happened, much less the Mexican or Spanish-American Wars?
- since world war 2
No, you’re absolutely correct! I meant it more along the lines of the “We take nothing by conquest” rhetoric, which is equally hypocritical considering the reality. I didn’t really want to add an “/s” to the statement… Yes, the US killed a lot of people in Mexican territory, but then they made up a treaty and paid $15mil for half of the land 🤷 (heavily simplified).
But it’s 2025, and I’m honestly not sure if the geopolitical climate is in a better or worse state than it was 170 years ago. And if not worse on average, it’s definitely widely polarized.
Yes, it’s bad. We’d lose. Maybe they’d lose too, but if so it’s going to involve Taliban-like timelines and Afghanistan-like living conditions that whole time.
Yeah, as much as I’d like to pretend it will also prompt the Second American Civil War and swathes of military officers refusing orders I simply don’t have faith in Americans to do the right thing.
It’s famously a lot easier to “just follow orders”, and they only need a fraction of their forces to agree to make it happen. I highly doubt they’d fight each other on our behalf, at least.
Ya I want him to try as well. I am so fucking sick of republicans and magats dragging down the entire human race. Can you imagine what the world would be like if bush didn’t steal the election from al gore? No war in the middle east, probably would have resulted is way better relations between countries all around the world. Would have resulted in more prosperity for everyone. Would have been a massive coordinated effort to fight climate change. They’d probably have healthcare by now. To this day republicans have been hell bent on destroying the world. I hope they come to Canada. Wiping them out would be the highest possible purpose my life could ever serve. Even if I could only take out one of those magat freaks with me, it would be worth it. Lets fucking go, ill be ready.
With the statements yesterday about the “artificially drawn border” it’s clear he wants southern Ontario.
Even if he fails, our quality of life would significantly decrease. Not really wanting to become an insurgent and get my brains blown out by a delta force operator or something. Not saying we should back down in any case, but the prospect of an invasion like that is scary af.
What about all the native land, and the Mexican-American war?
Well you’re not wrong, I think some dummies would say “acktually we bought it from Mexico”.
I liked this article from a couple months ago on the whole situation: https://www.dal.ca/news/2025/01/09/united-states-canada-state-51st.html
I also want him to try, mostly because I think that may finally be the straw that gets someone to successfully snipe him. All it will take is some pissed off hosier with better aim than the last guy.
Hosier is from Ireland. Hoosers are from Indiana. Hosers are from Canada.
Yes, because innocent people will die.
Honestly, Canada should shut down their border to the US period… I wish this could happen, but I feel it is unrealistic.
And get all our fucking data off Azure and AWS servers already. The fact we did this in the first place has bothered me since day 1. I don’t care if the data centres are in Canada, they’re owned by a foreign company and “trust me bro” isn’t a security policy.
I’m for it. It will hurt, but we’ll manage.
Won’t someone assassinate this senile fat fuck?
Ronald McDonald has been trying every damn day.
