• espressdelivery@lemm.ee
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    8 hours ago

    Valhalla only sounds like a nice place to go because I’ve played Skyrim

    Let’s face it though: it’s probably a bit of a shit place to be what with all the fighting types of neuroses getting together makes for some shit energy to spend an eternity around

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    19 hours ago

    There’s probably a shit ton of nazis in Valhalla. Vikings didn’t have any sort of morality about human rights, they went by might makes right. If you died in glorious battle, no matter the cause, you’re going to Valhalla.

    So there’ll probably be a shit ton of nazis from WWII, along with russians and Americans who they fight an unending war with.

    Modern nazis arent really dying in glorious battle, if they do die in battle it’s after shooting a bunch of defenseless people before being sniped by a cop, not really that glorious. Most of the nazis though are just posting edgelord shit online and are just as afraid of daylight as they are brown people, no Valhalla for them.

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      There’s probably a shit ton of nazis in Valhalla. Vikings didn’t have any sort of morality about human rights, they went by might makes right. If you died in glorious battle, no matter the cause, you’re going to Valhalla.

      While that is true to an extent, women had more rights and freedoms in Viking culture. While it wasn’t close today’s standards. It was far exceeded what other cultures were doing.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings

      However, written sources portray free Viking women as having independence and rights. Viking women generally appear to have had more freedom than women elsewhere, as illustrated in the Icelandic Grágás and the Norwegian Frostating laws and Gulating laws.

      Norse laws assert the housewife’s authority over the ‘indoor household’. She had the important roles of managing the farm’s resources, conducting business, as well as child-rearing, although some of this would be shared with her husband.

      After the age of 20, an unmarried woman, referred to as maer and mey, reached legal majority and had the right to decide her place of residence and was regarded as her own person before the law…A married woman could divorce her husband and remarry.

      A woman had the right to inherit part of her husband’s property upon his death, and widows enjoyed the same independent status as unmarried women. The paternal aunt, paternal niece and paternal granddaughter, referred to as odalkvinna, all had the right to inherit property from a deceased man. A woman with no husband, sons or male relatives could inherit not only property but also the position as head of the family when her father or brother died. Such a woman was referred to as Baugrygr, and she exercised all the rights afforded to the head of a family clan, until she married, by which her rights were transferred to her new husband.

      Viking culture also had social mobility, some political rights to the lower classes, and had the Things (local assemblies).

      In daily life, there were many intermediate positions in the overall social structure and it appears that there was some social mobility between them. These details are unclear, but titles and positions like hauldr, thegn, and landmand, show mobility between the karls and the jarls.

      Other social structures included the communities of félag in both the civil and the military spheres, to which its members (called félagi) were obliged. A félag could be centred around certain trades, a common ownership of a sea vessel or a military obligation under a specific leader. Members of the latter were referred to as drenge, one of the words for warrior. There were also official communities within towns and villages, the overall defence, religion, the legal system and the Things.

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        Fair enough, they seem to have less of a deeply entrenched patriarchal hierarchy than in the south. Pretty nice for the free people who were the majority.

        We can’t forget though that these rights only extended to freemen/women and that the slaves/thrall had no rights. The highest women did enjoy more rights then in the south, but the lowest women were treated as sex slaves who would be expected to be (TW: SA) gangraped and die when there master did. Granted the Europeans in the south probably weren’t treating there serfs with much respect but I don’t think they were treated that poorly.

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          Slavery was large part of the Viking economy. However, combating Nazi cultural appropriation of Viking culture does mean pointing out that Vikings were not just warriors however had complex social communities, adept traders, and explorers.

          In a weird way, Vikings may have embraced a type of multiculturalism.

          The mobility of Vikings led to a fusion of cultures within their ranks and their trade routes would extend from Canada to Afghanistan. A striking feature of the early Vikings’ success was their ability to embrace and adapt from a wide range of cultures, whether that be the Christian Irish in the west or the Muslims of the Abbasid Caliphate in the east.

          https://theconversation.com/vikings-were-never-the-pure-bred-master-race-white-supremacists-like-to-portray-84455

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      18 hours ago

      Listen, if Valhalla is endless fighting and killing in the afterlife then killing Nazi’s repeatedly sounds like a great time.

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      To be fair, Vikings didn’t necessarily want to exterminate ethnic groups or purge so-called unclean peoples, they simply targeted whomever had booty they could despoil.

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          …do you think pirates weren’t real? Hell, they’re real now. The reason piracy isn’t much more widespread isn’t because humanity has progressed, it’s because the navies of NATO powers and others constantly patrol the oceans to protect their economies’ bottom lines.

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          That’s what Viking literally translates to.

          There were some quasi racial elements, the idea of “races of man” is mentioned in the Sagas and such but it wasn’t really the same. More tribal, less about skin tone but also the Vikings didn’t really have contact with other skin tones unless they were one of the groups raiding the Mediterranean or Vinland which was rare.

          Still proto-fascists balls deep in might makes right with a chattel slave economy though.

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        I like it, but I’d tighten it up to “NAZIS DON’T GET TO CRANK THE HOG IN VALHALLA”

        Another semi-related one that came to mind:

        “I SKIPPED CRANKING THE HOG TO PUNCH A NAZI”