• PowerfulTurtle@lemmy.caOP
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        Seconded, Iā€™m so tired of people calling me an egg or saying Iā€™m not cis for being fem, or worse, because Iā€™m gay and like boys. Yes some dipshit actually said that to me, they said that a boy liking boys ā€œisnā€™t entirely cisā€, which is so wrong and also homophobic as fuck.

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      I used to watch their (?) old Minecraft content before I knew what being trans/genderqueer was, they (?) were such an influence lol

      I stopped watching when my Minecraft phase was ending and I realized I was trans but had to go into ā€˜supression modeā„¢ļøā€™ for 3 ish years for personal reasons.
      Honestly I didnā€™t know they (?) had a new channel. However Iā€™m kinda confused to know what pronouns they (?) use being genderfluid. Do you happen to know what pronouns they (?) use mainly? Also Rose or F1nn? Iirc they (?) brought it up in a video but didnā€™t give a definitive answer on what name they (?) prefer.

      (Iā€™ll edit the they/thems out if itā€™s incorrect)

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          As described here, calling someone trans when they themselves donā€™t identify that way is problematic, since you are imposing a gender on that person.

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              Reinforcing gender stereotypes and misgendering others is not the kind of thought that should be shared out loud. Like people might have horrible intrusive thoughts but if and when they recognize them for what they are they will let them pass without acting on or speaking them.

              I used to and still on occasion have intrusive thoughts that are transphobic but I know not to speak them because they are hurtful and untrue. You need to do the same with your idea that people are trans because of appearance of clothing, just let the thoughts pass or stuff them down, and not speak them out loud. You wouldnā€™t act on intrusive thoughts you know to be harmful. This isnā€™t much different.

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                  You are, saying that you think people are trans because theyā€™d ā€œgo all out n womenā€™s clothesā€ is indeed reinforcing gender stereotypes, and it is misgendering to say that people who donā€™t identify as trans are trans.

                  Now Iā€™m being diagnosed with intrusive thoughts? lol

                  Youā€™re right, I was too charitable. You donā€™t have intrusive thoughts, but straight up harmful ideas that you openly admit to and act upon, especially since youā€™re still going and havenā€™t gotten the message that what youā€™re doing or saying is uncool and needs to stop.

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      Donā€™t argue that dressing a certain way makes someone trans or makes them seem trans. This idea blatantly reinforces gender stereotypes because it assumes that a certain threshold of gender non-conformity changes or is indicative of a different gender, this is toxic as fuck.

      By the way I dress as feminine or more feminine than the last panel, very often might I add. I am more than certain that I am indeed 100% a boy.

      Also before someone says it, yes, one can still be a femboy if they choose to take estrogen. I know femboys who do, theyā€™re still boys and will absolutely remind you if you forget or try and insist they arenā€™t. Some might ask how is that possible? Answer, because they identify and call themselves boys. Simple as that. You canā€™t decide someone elseā€™s gender for them, no matter the circumstances.

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        one can still be a femboy if they choose to take estrogen

        I would like to learn more about this, do they have dysphoria? do they want to be girly all the time or only some of the time? Are they taking E permanently or are they planning on mixing E and T like some nonbinary people do?

        sorry if these are too personal, I live in a conservative area and havenā€™t ever seen a femboy IRL, much less talking to one about what itā€™s like, so I donā€™t really understand. Also if you have any resources that youā€™d recommend me read id be more than happy to look into it :)

        edit: to clarify, Iā€™m not the person who was arguing. I just wanted to learn from your experiences while reading the thread

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          I think itā€™s a little different for each of them, I know some femboys do have dysphoria and take it full time, I also know that some mix it or take lower doses like Nonbinary people do. Itā€™s different for each of them, not all femboys are the same, just like not all trans and nonbinary people are the same. How they feel and whatā€™s best for each of them depends on the person.

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          It is extremely wrong to say that cross-dressing makes a person trans, and it is offensive to call other people trans who donā€™t identify as such because it is literally misgendering them. Trying to argue that cross-dressing is ā€œunder the trans umbrellaā€ is just a roundabout way of trying to say they are trans without directly saying it and youā€™re not fooling anyone with these deceitful tactics.

          You like, really need to drop this because youā€™ve already been given the hint to stop and you keep going.

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            I agree with, the post op on this, because look. If a person identifying as one gender is cross dressing to look a certain way, they are not trans just from that because at the end of the day it is just cloths. Also where you say, ā€œYou donā€™t think about how you respond to peopleā€™s misstepsā€ you seem to be broadly talking more than just simply cross dressing, but since you didnā€™t say anything specific I wonā€™t judge you, but that is suspicious.

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          Itā€™s not offensive, itā€™s just incorrect? Someone dressing as a woman but they identify as a man is still a man? They donā€™t face the same prejudice and discrimination as trans people so they arenā€™t trans people?

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              If I get it wrong Iā€™ll be gladly corrected

              You did get it wrong. The OP, a femboy who posted a meme about femboys, directly told you that you had it wrong.

              Youā€™re still here arguing, and show no sign of being open to being corrected. Unless that changes soon, your time on this instance is up.

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                  A femboy posted a meme about femboys. You came in and tried to tell him that actually, some of those femboys are trans women based on their appearance.

                  This was a misstep, but thatā€™s OK, because mistakes happen and peopleā€™s understanding of gender diverse folk is often limited.

                  He then told you about his direct lived experience as a fem boy that contradicted your opinions. At this point, instead of listening to folk who are talking about their own experiences, you got offended and started arguing.

                  At this point, youā€™re simply out of line. Arguing with folk about their own experiences, whilst not even sharing those experiences.

                  This isnā€™t an argument about when itā€™s ok to assume and when it isnā€™t. This is a case of you assuming, being corrected, and then trying to turn it in to a debate.

                  And to be clear, Iā€™m not simply asking you to stop, Iā€™m asking you to consider what happened, acknowledge you fucked up, and then stop.