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Sorry for not seeing this earlier. Work was hell today.
Your correct. This isnāt racism. Iām reinstating your comment now.
Thanks
I left .world a while ago, I didnāt leave Reddit to put up with the same bullshit on Lemmy
Yeah the mods of the news Community being in favor of fascism doesnāt surprise me.
Conflating zionist state of israel with the jewish people is anti-semitism. Israel does not represent all jewish people worldwide.
I agree. How do we get the world to recognize that fact?
Genuinely asking, because seeing the Australian government bow to Zionist pigs over this is really tiring me out.
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Zionists occupying Gaza is itself anti-semitic, as the occupied residents are mostly semitic peoples. And there is absolutely a racial component.
PTB
Zionists are on the wrong side of history
Whats PTB?
From the sidebar:
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless mod: The mod probably just doesnāt understand how their software works.
What a group of assholes to down vote you for asking. Itās pulmonary tuberculosis. I mean thatās the main thing that comes up when searching. It took a couple minutes to find āpowers that beā and Iām not sure that that fits perfectly with the flow, or that it would be the most common acronym. Iād assume based on the context of the thread. On the other hand āplease text backā is probably more commonly used.
I meanā¦ itās an illegitimate state after all.
It canāt be racism unless you first admit itās an ethnostate.
Thatās actually a really good catch.
If Israel is an ethnostate, then saying āIsrael did something badā is now by default saying āJews here did something bad.ā
And it works for their āanything calling us out is antisemiticā and the people who think being Anti-Zionism are antisemitic.
It helps deflect any claim. South Africa wishes it had that idea.
PTB. .worldās stances continue to be completely indistinguishable from State Department propaganda. I guess it was only a matter of time until the mods started cracking down on anti-Zionism. Fully expect to see them ban someone for promoting BDS next.
Would be hillarious if they put an anti-BDS clause in the .world terms of service.
Honestly, they should just make users recite the Pledge of Allegiance to sign up.
What a shocker that someone banned from a community for trolling and sharing misinformation is here to let everyone know that said community is bad.
You wouldnāt be complaining about this at all if it was .ml banning someone.
.world is a festering mess of liberalism, you say?
Colour me surprised.
The place that banned all criticism of Biden/Harris and then wondered where all the critics went, justifying their bad beliefs that all of them were bots? Yeah I wonder why its a shitlib utopia.
Exactly!
I can sort of see how they got there, but I donāt think any nation has the right to exist. Iām sure if you swapped it with any other nation they wouldnāt remove it.
PTB from flat.world as usual.
Francesca Albanese puts it well. A people have a right to exist.
An apartheid ethnosupremacist state built on, and still doing, genocide and settler Colonialism, certainly doesnāt. Chattel Slavery America and Apartheid South Africa donāt exist anymore, itās more than time for Israel to join them.
Ethno-states run by power-tripping pigs have no right to exist.
PTB.
That said youāre biting obvious bait - a good chunk of those discussions boil down to ambiguous words referring to both actual human beings and states/governments, to defend the later as if it was an attack on the former.
Yes, people called Israel exist.
But from the thread the comment was placed in, it should be clear I was talking about the apartheid colonizing Palestine. Not a persons right to existence
It was clear for me, too. However, a lot of people struggle to tell apart two things when you use the same word to refer to them, and thatās one of those cases.
My suggestion in this regard is to always use āstate of Israelā instead. Youāll still get some bans, but it becomes harder for supporters of the genocidal state to claim āno, ur teh 1 defending genosideā.
This would require acknowledging Israel as a state, which it is not.
Nobody uses the term "state of Israel to refer to it. Demonstrated by the title of the posted article āIsrael announces expansionā¦ā. Not a single person raises the question if this means a person called āIsraelā is planning to become so obese that they occlude the Gaza strip.
The word āIsraelā suffices and the .World moderators know perfectly well what is means. There is no ambiguity to hide behind.
This would require acknowledging Israel as a state, which it is not.
Israel is a government controlling a population and a territory. It is a state by definition. To claim otherwise is fucking stupid.
And thatās central here. A state is an āitā; unlike human beings, it has no right to defend itself. And it should be dismantled once it harms actual people, just like Nazi Germany was.
Demonstrated by the title of the posted article
Yeah, just like article titles demonstrate English has no articles. Pfffft.
Not a single person raises the question
Thatās why you totally werenāt banned for āracismā, as if you were targetting actual people instead of a genocidal power structure, right? Right??? Oh wait.
The word āIsraelā suffices
This sounds exactly the same as
āSince Iām too stubborn to avoid falling into the sort of trap nationalists love to set up, Iāll keep helping the Zionists and clueless muppets to equate Ā«attacks against IsraelĀ» = Ā«racismĀ».ā
You might not be a Zionist but youāre certainly eager to contribute with them.
An occupation is not a state. If controlling an area and population with government would make something a state, the RSF in Sudan would be a state and Crimea would be transferred into Russia the moment it got occupied.
Your comment is the definition of
āThis is hurting your cause - person against causeā
If controlling an area and population with government would make something a state, the RSF in Sudan would be a state
āBut what about the RSF?ā
That said, yes, the RSF is either a state already or really close to one.
Crimea would be transferred into Russia the moment it got occupied.
Crimea is disputed by two states and under effective control of one (Russia). āCongratsā for proving Russia is a state.
Your comment is the definition of // āThis is hurting your cause - person against causeā
Emphasis mine. I outright compared that crap with Nazi Germany, so stop lying / assuming / bullshitting that I would be against the cause of getting rid of it.
That said if the expression āstate of Israelā makes you so uncomfortable, you could use any other expression of your choice, as long as it leaves clear that youāre referring solely to the power structure and not the population.
Unless youād rather keep being the zionistsā little plaything in their language game, and actually help them to spread their idiotic and immoral ānoooooo, people defending the Palestinians are Naziā babble. Because thatās what youāre doing here.
You are out here recognizing the RSF and ISIS as states to defend Israel and think anyone will take you seriously?
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Is that actually a tolerable opinion in the sense of āparadox of toleranceā? Or is it hate speech that leads to intolerance?
Like ādeport all jews from greater palestineā would mean ethnic cleansing which would not be tolerable. The only logical solution seems to be a 1 state solution that would need decades of investment, reeducation, de-nazification and de-radicalization on both sides.
Or said differently, āPalestine doesnāt have a right to existā is not tolerable right?
Historic arguments that wold have been valid 70 years ago are now not useful since the reality is like it is. Something like āUSA doesnāt have a right to exist, Europeans go home!ā doesnāt make sense either except in the hypothetical where it would .
South Africa ended a similar system of apartheid and the effects of that, including the beneficiaries of apartheid choosing to leave the country (often to Israel so they could keep doing apartheid) were preferable to keeping the unjust system.
Saying Israel doesnāt have a right to exist isnāt the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave. Ideally, if they want to then they should be free to live in a country where Jews and Palestinians have equal rights, including the right to vote, such a country would no longer be an ethnostate and would probably not chose to call itself āIsrael.ā
Saying Israel doesnāt have a right to exist isnāt the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave.
But it is virtually indistinguishable of what someone would say if they wished for ethnic cleansing. At the very least it sounds like a dog whistle. You could instead say Zionism or apartheid or fascist Israel has no right to exist.
And yeah, my original comment is also virtually indistinguishable from a mealymouthed moderate liberal lol.
But it is virtually indistinguishable of what someone would say if they wished for ethnic cleansing. At the very least it sounds like a dog whistle.
I have no patience for equating anti-zionism with antisemitism like this. This tactic is frequently used in bad faith by zionists to dismiss all criticism of Israel and to paint people as bigots for acknowledging that Palestinians have rights. For example, the US State Department explicitly lists criticism of the state of Israel as a form of āantisemitism,ā āDenying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor,ā and, āDrawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis,ā are both listed as example of it. Israel is an enthostate and itās engaged in genocide and Lebensraum, and you have to be willing to brush off such spurious accusations of antisemitism to be reasonable.
No one said anything about Israelis or Jews or ethnic cleansing. What weāve said is that Israel - the geopolitical entity - does not have a right to exist. It doesnāt. We could use a different term for Israel but we are in no way obligated to and shouldnāt be expected to. What we say is what we mean. If you read in some hidden meaning that we donāt say then you could do the same for just about anything anybody says.
Iām also disgusted by the rhetoric and new fascist antisemitism ādefinitionā. Iām not uninformed or pro-Israel at all.
But I definitely consider āPalestine has no right to existā as hate speech and would demand censoring / banning that. Because there is a clear implication. We can not afford to allow tolerance towards intolerance.
The only thing I would say in favor of OP is that because Palestine is currently weaker and the oppressed victim, and rightfully outraged, itās not fair to demand higher standards from them and is therefor hypocritical.
The trick here is that āPalestineā does not refer to any state*; as such someone saying āPalestine has no right to existā can be only talking about the population, and promoting ethnic cleansing. Thatās why itās hate speech.
On the other hand āIsraelā can refer to both āthe Israeli populationā and āthe state of Israelā. So, every bloody time you attack the later, you get people misrepresenting your attack as if it was against the population. And Zionists have been exploiting this for ages, to silence anyone who speaks against it.
*Palestine does have a state (or something close to one), but people typically call it āHamasā instead of āPalestineā.
During WWII I donāt think it would be unreasonable to say, āGermany doesnāt have a right to exist,ā but if you said āPoland doesnāt have a right to exist,ā that would be pretty different. The latter is justifying subjugation of the country but the former is objecting to the state doing the subjugating.
āThe Russians occupying Crimea cannot be deported that would be ethnic cleansingā. No it would not. There were Nazis occupying Polish houses and they were kicked out after WW2 and sent back where they came from.
āDeport all Jews from Palestineā would be ethnic cleansing as many Jews lived in Palestine before Zionism.
Palestinians have the full right to all their land back. If a European colonist is currently occupying it that is not their problem. The fact that their parents stole it in an ethnic cleansing does not change this in the slightest. Nor does them being Jewish mean that they suddenly get a special antisemitism exception to do colonialism and steal peopleās houses.
Itās sort of fun to note that many of the people that are always upset and angry about .world moderation are the ones that have been banned for trolling and spreading misinformation there.
Itās almost as if thereās a bias from the people that are always accusing others of bias!
āHey I got banned for saying genocide is bad, maybe the mods there suck?ā
āYouāre just mad about getting banned, loser!ā
Itās sort of fun to note that many of the people that are always supportive about .world moderation are Zionists.
Itās almost as if thereās a bias from the people that are always accusing others of bias!
Hilarious!
Ewwwā¦ youāre laughing about genocide
Genocide is funny to you, understood.
Thatās a pretty anti-semitic comment
Conflating the actions of Israel with Jews is whatās anti-Semitic. The question I have, is why you hate Jews enough to blame them for what Israel is doing.
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