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A picture of the Ben Affleck Smoking meme, with the caption “Me seeing people on reddit telling other people to go to lemmy.world”
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First post on Lemmy! and oh my word… never seen such an eclectic mix of flavours of people, positions and politics in a long time.
This decentralised thing could actually be a good thing: pulls people away from bubbles and echo chambers!
Just remember to play nice :)
Welcome!
lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post. vpn is basic internet hygiene. do not go to lemmy.world if you care about that, our you will not be able to post.
you can join any federated instance instead.
What do you want them to do? Select an instance at random, to spread them out?
Yeah, this is just stupid. I wish a significant amount of redditors would go to lemmy.world
I mean, what do you want to tell them to join? Something called “mander.xyz”? “sopuli.xyz”? Maybe something like sh.itjust.works, jlai.lu or yall.theatl.social? I’d feel awkward enough telling them to join “Lemmy” then linking to lemm.ee. Sending them to lemmy.ml would just be cruel.
I picked lemmy.world because it sounded the least sus
I registered with blahaj first but I couldn’t. Log in after a couple of months and never found a solution.
I came to Lemmy on my own but felt forced I to .World.
There are other generalist or niche instances beyond .world
Can we recommend another generic instance? .world has a few problems plaguing it right now.
You’re on one of them already, IMO
The other one I have in mind is mine. Lemmy.zip even DM a starter guide after sign up.
a generic instance is what most users need to actually make the move, if they like it or understand it better later they might choose a different insurance later, if not who cares they can still interact with others.
As long as they have more than two brain cells to click together. If they can’t get past the tiny technical barrier to entry then they can go somewhere else.
What you’re saying is “reddit is fine, it can stay the front page of the internet, I don’t mind”
The cold truth is that to onboard people in greater numbers you need a default instance recommendation. You just do. You absolutely cannot ask potential new users (many of which will - hopefully - be casual and not so tech savvy) to sit down and undertake a multi hour research project into finding an appropriate small instance for them. You cannot reasonably expect people to look into uptime, funding and defederation lists to make an informed decision about where to register. You just need them through the door and posting and commenting and voting.
Making a new account somewhere else is super easy and painless once they’re already here. We just need to get them here.
Just tell them to go to your favourite instance. Easy.
Lemm.ee is the default instance new users should use.
That would expose new users to Hexbear, and I don’t think new users would stay long after accidentally provoking them with wrongthink and getting spammed with pig testicle pics and insults. That was my experience when I first joined Lemmy and it wasn’t pleasant. Lemm.ee’s hands-off approach to defederation can be both a blessing and a curse, and I’m not sure it’d be best for new users to be exposed to some of the worst of Lemmy.
It’s too bad there isn’t a way to just have one location for everyone to create an account, like a lemmy.com, and then the last step during account creationg is to select your preferred instance for the account, maybe from like a drop down list that has a small blurb about the rules and expectations for that instance and a list of top 10 hosted communities, and maybe even a random choice option, and then you can go back to that main area to switch your instance later if need be.
When I first found Lemmy, it was through https://join-lemmy.org/ which is similar to what you are describing.
Though it recommended me to join lemmy.ml, and apparently it’s a controversial one, so I don’t know if that worked out well…
That’s how I got in! Lemm.ee does just fine.
But yea, perhaps we could chat to the heads of lemmy.world to maybe pin an announcement to help other instances and help decentralisation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they would agree to do that for the greater good.
I think historical data supports they wouldnt agree to stuff for the greater good, but idr that well so I could be wrong
Yeah you left out the hours of research to figure out what each instance is actually about and the years of abuse and power trips that have occured under different leadership, and also the dropdown includes defederated instances.
I started on blahaj, but they are NOT an inclusive and healthy LGBTQ community so I had to move but I didn’t want to go through all the effort again so I joined .world
If you thought .world is more LGBTQ friendly than Blahaj you must be smoking the good stuff.
Removed by mod
Stop making good the enemy of perfect!
Yeah, anything to get them from reddit is good.
Plus, once they get a feel for Lemmy and the wider fediverse, they can then migrate their account elsewhere.
Some of them maybe, but a lot are super toxic and I just hope they stay on reddit and make each other suffer rather than the good ppl on lemmy.
That’s a moderation issue, and if we can’t handle it here, Lemmy is doomed regardless.
No, it’s not. Lemmy is immortal.
Anywhere but:
- lemmy[.]ml
- lemmygrad[.]ml
- lemmy[.]world
- he xbea r[.]net
Now explain why to the masses.
- tankies
- tankies
- centralisation
- tankies
tankies => historical revisionism and genocide denial.
I don’t really care if they are authoritarian communists, I care that they deny or try to embellish massive human rights absuses and human suffering.
I mean I don’t care if they’re communists but the authoritarian bit is a no for me.
Authoritarian anything; within reason - is generally a bad thing. Ie communism, capitalism, and all spectrums in between :)
I mean yeah that was my point lol
Sounds about right.
abbout righht indeed
To expand:
On .ml, you’ll likely end up being banned for “bigotry” if you dare criticize certain authoritarian regimes. The mods and admins cannot handle any sort of dissent, so censorship is quite heavy there. You’ll even get banned from unrelated communities. It’s the least toxic of the “Big Three” tankie instances, but still not a great place to be. There’s also the issue of overcentralization since it’s such a large instance, as getting an unwarranted ban can block off access to a good chunk of communities.
Grad is .ml but more extremist. They’re widely defederated for good reason, as their users are pretty horrible to anyone they consider a shitlib. I can’t say much about them from personal experience as they’ve been defederated with my instance for as long as I’ve been here, but many have alts on .ml where they do engage in shitty behaviour.
Hexbear is by far the worst. Take grad, and turn the hostility up to 11. If you say the wrong thing, it may end up posted in their “dunk tank” where they’ll then proceed to harass you as a group for days or longer, even taking it to DMs. They do not federate with other instances to participate in good faith, they federate in order to push their agenda and “dismantle Western propaganda”. And by that, they actually mean flooding threads with oversized emotes and graphic pictures of pigs shitting on their own testicles when they decide to brigade. They’re also widely defederated for good reason, and most threads involving defederating with them have plenty of examples of their awful conduct outside of their instance. Many have alts on other instances to bypass said defederation though.
Because most Americans can’t handle any other worldview and have no identity beyond mindless nationalism.
Tankies simply partake in a different nationalism: Russian or Chinese
Lmao spend one minute on meanehileongrad and say that again.
Not everyone against tankies are American or even from the West. You ARE aware Lemmy has many worldwide users, right?
lol 🤡
What the heck does this have to do with choosing a social media platform, comrade?
Facts
Don’t forget:
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vegantheoryclub [.] org
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tankies
wait, what?
They love simping for the CCP and Putin.
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Here fucking here. 3 are blatantly full of Nazis and one is just Reddit.
So like the big servers that everyone’s on, gotcha
Pretty much yeah. Spreading stuff out so there is no single point of failure is a good thing.
I don’t see the issue with recommending a generic instance, if your intend is to convert the generic user. It certainly is a better experience than saying ‘ok, so choose what you like from this list of instances’ and they don’t even know the implications or what that means.
The overcomplication of Lemmy is an issue, and this behavior tries to avoid that.
Recommending generic instances is good, but please don’t recommend that generic instance.
Eh why not, might mellow them out a little
A lot of people start off on a major instance, then after finding and vibing with another instance, can move to that.
There’s tons of tools and things that allow for transfer of subscriptions and everything else so changing instances isn’t a big deal.
The important thing is to get them on Lemmy first.
Agreed
I started on world and quickly began hopping.
joined on world, couldnt see piracy and the hopping began
Thank you for spreading!
The open-source nature of Lemmy would enable great migration tools.
The devs seem opposed to letting users migrate accounts though.
The issue for moving comms has been open since last year.I haven’t looked at the Lemmy codebase but here’s my thoughts on why they don’t “just” fix this.
Unless the database is designed for easy migration from it can be a very large task to modify the database layout, as you nearly have to refactor everything.
One way to solve this is that all posts/comments/votes uses an UUID as primary key instead of auto-incrementing IDs.
Hi, so moving in AP (ActivityPub) doesn’t really work like that.
Essentially, every action (like, follow, create etc) is an
activity, “moving” something sends a “move” activity to every follower of an actor (group, user etc), which will make them follow the new account.So moving a community is really just making everyone unsubscribe from the old on, and subscribe to the new one, set the old one as read only, and setup a redirect (“This community has moved to !newcomm@instance”). The old comm will stay, and it can be browsed.
Take a look at “nomadic identity” though, its a bit more similar to what you are talking about.
Mod actions don’t even federate properly yet, you have to have a local account to mod properly. And post pinning only works when the stars align. With all those basic features having issues, comm migration is nowhere near the top of the priority list.
I guess so, but I really think we should recommend another instance this time around.
What if you recommended a smaller instance and they get hugged to death and it ruins the experience for everyone else on that instance?
Though, to be fair, world is already pretty hammered
Hasn’t happened yet when I did that with Lemmy.cafe.
The small instances can take in 10s of thousands of users before being strained.
Yep, I wouldn’t recommend tiny ones, the medium sized ones seem to be able to scale enough.
I don’t really get how to get into that. How do you find instances with more than 10 people on them ? Plus like you said, I have to make a new account for every instance which is super annoying
You can use https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy to find the smollest ones.
You don’t need an account for every instance. For example, I am on lemm.ee, you are on lemmy.world, but I can reply to your comment.
Every instance shares the same content.
See I’m confused at this. I cannot login on lemm.ee. not sure what I’m doing wrong.
Think of it like email, you can send emails to anyone on any email provider, but you can’t login to gmail with your outlook info.
Makes sense.
Lemmy.world is filled with censorship and genocide apologists. It’s basically an exact clone of Reddit’s culture of smug libs that look down their noses at other poor people while working tirelessly against their own best interest by supporting corrupt oligarchs that weaponize identity politics as a highly effective dog whistle.
Hey! I’ll have you know I was onboarded from reddit because I can’t possibly be asked to understand federation much less the preferred instance or any of the politics of this place before arriving. I saw an easy way in and I took it, because my anti-genocide tirades got me banned from reddit and so far haven’t from here. Idk how to control which part of lemmy I’m in much less the one I come from. I am not, however, a “lemmy.world-er” I just live here
Welcome!
Now that the election is over and the shitlibs on world can pretend that Trump is the only demagogue to blame for the ongoing genocide, you might be fine.
If I were you, I’d switch before you share your opinion somewhere that kescusay@lemmy.world or jordanlund@lemmy.world can censor or even ban you.
I’ve seen people banned and their comments removed for having the audacity to question the official braindead Reddit hivemind lib narrative (pro-DNC no matter how demonstrably corrupt they get because “have you seen the other guys?”, anti-Single-Payer, conveniently pro-Ukraine while hypocritically anti-Palestine).
It’s pretty easy to switch nowadays.
One day when I have the patience to figure out migrating my profile I will lol a ban would iust give me the time to do so
Migrating a profile right now is really just downloading your settings and subscriptions (option in settings), opening a new account on a different instance, and importing your settings and subscriptions.
There is no migrating, you just open a new account. I used to be on .world and changing really didn’t do anything noticeable past letting me temporarily block .world when they’re on a crusade against some imaginary issue.
While there is wackos on .world, this is mostly because of .world’s slowdowns and delays.
Yeah. I started on world and accidentally made my password too long to ever login again. It was a wonderful accident.
It’s literally just the Lemmy arm of Reddit. Same rules, same mods, same centrist users.
Part of the problem is that there isn’t a really good onboarding process that doesn’t involve getting people to join smaller instances.
Based on dev comments, they seem happy with Lemmy staying small, so there isn’t an organization pushing for an equal distribution of new members.
Well it is lemmy.world, so it makes sense that it should contain everyone in the world /j
We need lemmy.multiverse
We need a multiverse tld.
Sadly multiver.se is squatted
Domain squatting should be illegal.
Squatting a Domain squatter should be legal
Say if a domain as been in disuse for 2 years squatting it should be a valid procedure. When squatting the costs of the domain continue to run by the original purchaser
what if you need to have a domain poo
I see a lot of wackos from there.
