Interesting bit of news for the threadiverse. All three of these are fairly large lemmy instances

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    Good riddance. I like the no-downvote style but overzealous mods just create their own pillow fort of the same 5 users regurgitating the same shit over and over.

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      Perhaps harsh but beehaw strikes me as the tumblr/progressive/sjw types that really wanna build their safe space. Which makes me wonder why theyā€™re federating at all lol.

      Iā€™m very glad that kbin seems to have a ā€œletā€™s get all the content and speak freelyā€ sorta vibe going on right now. hopefully things stay that way.

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        I got the same sense. Authoritarianism runs on both sides of the political spectrum.

        While their FAQ touted an emphasis on empathy, the heavy flowery language while also making a point to refuse to have written rules at all somehow gave me a feeling of double-speak. The idea is nice, but now youā€™re open to being banned because they felt like it, and you canā€™t even explain how you werenā€™t breaking the rules if no rules exist. Refusing to allow anyone but themselves to create communities backs up the authoritarian streak. Not interested. I assume if they donā€™t, Iā€™ll eventually be banned there anyway. I really like debate and I really dislike dictatorships.

        At least if one of the largest instances out there goes full Korea, it will leave other instances a chance to be noticed in their wake. It sounds salty, but Iā€™m still getting used to what federation means for a platform and when we were still initially federating my entire feed was utterly nothing but beehaw. I am salty. I want as much variety as I can get.

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          Yup. Taking a look at their ethos/manifesto stuff it instantly became clear to me what sort of place beehaw is, and itā€™s not one Iā€™m super fond of, so I doubt Iā€™ll ever make an account there.

          Yeah beehaw is pretty big at least from my perspective. I see three big communities: lemmy, kbin, and beehaw. and beehaw is easily the odd one out with their weird manifesto stuff lol. Which is why when they said they were defederating from lemmy, it kinda struck me as ā€œoh kbin is next thenā€ lol. but each of the three kinda have a different vibe to me, so maybe kbin is tolerable to beehaw while lemmy isnā€™t?

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            I havenā€™t had much experience with lemmy at all, in order to guess, and Iā€™ve seen conflicting things about them. Lemmy was already bigger and it feels like it got a lot more publicity than kbin, so they bore the brunt of the exodus. Itā€™s possible they didnā€™t get as lucky as we did in who that constituted. The devsā€™ weird CCP bent overshadowing some other instancesā€™ reportedly great admins just makes it even more of a confusing mess culture-wise.

            Iā€™d like to think we can abide by such stringent rules implications as ā€œbe nice.ā€ But their stated reasoning is that thereā€™s just too much content to ever hope to moderate by themselves, whichā€¦they really should have seen coming on a platform whose intent is to federate, ngl. Doesnā€™t matter if your homebase is young. You need underlings for this once it gets beyond a couple hundred people.

            Which is why Iā€™m leaning on the side of beehaw eventually deciding thereā€™s no choice but to defed way more than this until and unless they can afford help. With four admin-mods alone against the mercy of the entire fediverse, their hopes of upholding the mission statement will eventually be laughable any other way.

            Not that I think weā€™re nearly as bad as other places out there. I think weā€™ve got a surprisingly great atmosphere going and I hope to god it stays. But those are their two options, and kbin users seem to have an admirably civil tendency both to shitpost and to question and hear out differing viewpoints in a way Iā€™m not sure beehaw will appreciate.

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              Yup. I completely agree. I understand why beehaw defederated from lemmy because lemmy kinda seemsā€¦ unhinged, in comparison to beehawā€™s carefully crafted community.

              Whereas kbin I think youā€™re right, tend to be happy to civilly hear each other out. whereas I feel like beehaw isnā€™t really interested in that. Though I think of kbin users respect beehawā€™s way of doing things while weā€™re in their space, they might not have issues with us.

              granted, the response I got was ā€œwe donā€™t even think about youā€ so maybe kbin is too small to really be noticeable to them lol.

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                Unhinged. Youā€™ve found the perfect word for it. They come off to me like what happens in study hall when the instructor has to leave.

                granted, the response I got was ā€œwe donā€™t even think about youā€ so maybe kbin is too small to really be noticeable to them lol.

                Goodness, my pride, lmao. I think Iā€™m quite content not to be such a giant enough instance I get thought of. Hundreds of comfier, smaller places over Reddit Deux any day. I agree, the people here seem on the whole cognizant enough to keep themselves in check, rather thanā€¦whatever reddit was. That would be one behavior I am thrilled to see die, and hopefully federating with more chaotic instances wonā€™t kick it up again. Iā€™m concerned it may.

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                  haha youā€™ve summed up my thoughts exactly. itā€™s a little interesting seeing lemmy get the wilder side of reddit and kbin getting the more reserved side. whereas both are ā€œsimilarā€ enough that I think weā€™re fine with each other.

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                Beehaw hasnā€™t really defederated from Lemmy. They still allow the biggest Lemmy instance and a lot of smaller Lemmy instances. What they have done is block 2 of the top 4 (hard to count since the user count tools are having issues here on the lemmy side)ā€¦

                I first had worries about Lemmy and thought about kbin first, but seems the reddit migration has managed to make the issues minor in my case. Thereā€™s less issues. So, Iā€™m surprised Beehaw had that amount of trolling.

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        Perhaps harsh but beehaw strikes me as the tumblr/progressive/sjw types that really wanna build their safe space

        They literally said they want that instance to be their safe-space, so you are absolutely correct.
        Still itā€™s surprising how quickly a block-happy instance appeared, I was expecting it but not only days into this reddit-wave.

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          Iā€™m fairly new to kbin but we do have mod tools here, and people have used them to moderate their community. So far I havenā€™t seen any issues with spam or what Iā€™d say is trolling (though beehaw may think different). As for whether the mod tools are ā€œgoodā€ I guess is oneā€™s opinion. I find theyā€™re enough to moderate the small communities I started here on kbin, though I have to imagine much larger (100k-1m) communities might struggle with the tools available. kbin is very new and still under development. so weā€™ll see.

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            Yeah. I would also imagine that a place like Beehaw is going to attract bad actors and trolls who want to wreck the place at the expense of Beehaw users, who specifically joined in order to have a community of nice people to hang out with.

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              the vibe here on kbin is I think very similar to what you might find on more serious subreddits or on something like hacker news. weā€™re interested in content, discussion, etc. but thereā€™s not really overt trolling. I rarely see ā€œshitpostingā€ and other stuff as well. If you think ā€œnerds who wanna talk about stuff and share news/contentā€ youā€™ve got the right gist. I donā€™t really think anyone Iā€™ve seen here would go out of there way to cause problems. but kbin does have open signups (not invite).

              idk what the mindset is for lemmy, beehaw, and the rest of the fediverse, but I think due to the long downtime for federation here on kbin thereā€™s this vibe of ā€œwe have kbin stuff, and then we have stuff from those other guysā€ Itā€™s to the point where someone quickly made a script to be able to easily see where someone is posting from.

              In that regard, itā€™s always very obvious to me when Iā€™m among beehaw users and in beehaw communities. same for when Iā€™m in lemmy spaces, or kbin spaces. whereas I think lemmy users may not know or care about that distinction. Though this might just be my own musing and others arenā€™t thinking like that haha.

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                Really? The tone in Beehaw is obvious yeah, but I thought the tone for kbin and lemmy was slightly similar ā€“ unless things really changed in the few days when federation was down (which is possible)

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                  I wasnā€™t here before kbinā€™s federation went down, but rather joined during that time with most everyone else. I do think the tone and ā€œfeelā€ between kbin and lemmy is similar for sure, and I think a lot of that is probably due to mutual ex-reddit culture. but while federation was down there was a lot of kbin users saying things like ā€œitā€™s a bit better like this because we build up a kbin culture, and understand things betterā€ and ā€œwe can build up kbin communities so weā€™re less reliant on other instancesā€.

                  I think lemmy just ended up with the ā€œeverything redditā€ culture, while kbin ended up with a more reserved technical reddit culture. Though that might just be my perspective (and not shared with others). But I can understand why beehaw defederated with lemmy and not kbin. even though it kinda feels like weā€™re next lol.

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                    I feel like KBin is one of those ā€œwe only show our magazines by default, but if youā€™re an advanced user or you want to explore the fediverse a bit more, we have that option too, and you can even subscribe to federated communities/magazinesā€ type of sites in the fediverse.

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                    Yeah, I do wonder if Beehaw is just block happy. I am scared of clicking on their list of banned instances (like if itā€™s really shitty stuff that no sane human can look at), but they have blocked almost 400 instances.

                    They havenā€™t blocked the main Lemmy one though. Iā€™m guessing the main Lemmy instance has gotten better with the reddit migration.

                    What they did was the following : they defederated with Top 2 and Top 4 from what I understand (2 of the top 5).

                    For, reference Lemmy.ml has 35k users, Lemmy.world around 20-25k ish, shitjustworks 10k, beehaw 10k. Then theres a lot of small lemmy instances beehaw hasnā€™t banned which go from a few hundred to a few thousand. The numbers might be slightly off since the user count tools are having issues on the lemmy side of things.

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                  beehaw stands out among the lemmy instances because of the unique culture.

                  so idk how things work over on the lemmy instances and beehaw, but here when we get threads from other sites, the logo of the site is shown pretty blatantly. likewise the url is clearly visible. In beehawā€™s case, just looking around there it seems pretty strictly moderated with a certain cultural/style emphasis. Maybe not obvious at first glance, but reading some of the ethos pages makes it clear.

                  Itā€™s a veryā€¦ ā€œtumblrā€ vibe. So beehaw defederating from lemmy.world isnā€™t really a surprise.

                  Like to me the different instances have different ā€œfeelsā€ to them. and on kbin theyā€™re clearly marked so itā€™s obvious. itā€™s further emphasized as i said by the fact that we were isolated for a while.

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                    The advantage Beehaw has is the way the communities are organized - so much neater than in other instances. Every community on there is a giant hub, making these communities more visible and active than what we see on lemmy.ml and lemmy.world, and to some extent kbin.

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          Not to the degree what Iā€™m used to. Itā€™s very minimal. Itā€™ll probably take a year or two before itā€™s fully there, is my expectation.

          Itā€™s not an easy thing to make and it doesnā€™t have the highest priority generally. Reddit didnā€™t even have automoderator for years.