All it takes is one wedge issue, and they [progressives] are out.
More like all it takes is one Republican president to completely destroy the country. The fact that we’re even at this point, despite all the “checks and balances” should tell you that the “generational damage” is unavoidable at this point. What’s really gross is that liberals assign the blame to other leftists rather than uniting on these causes and forcing Biden and the DNC to be better.
I’d like to make an analogy. This is a much lower-stakes example, but several years ago, there was a huge push in the gaming community to stop preordering. If a development company hits their sales numbers with preorders, why bother delivering what you promised? Why bother even delivering a working game?
It is the same in politics. By giving the DNC and Biden your vote now, by loudly proclaiming that Biden is the only choice, you are saying that there is no need for course correction. There is no need for them to push harder on healthcare, or climate change, or wealth inequality, or any other issue, because you’ve given your power away. And because of that, we stay at the brink of collapse (and arguably inch closer), where one Republican president is all it takes to destroy everything we’ve tried to build in this country.
Edit: I really should clarify that we lose our power by not seriously considering other candidates and political parties. I don’t want to advocate for simply not voting. There are people out there who want the job but don’t want to bend the knee to capitalists.
So your solution is to just hand the country over to the Nazis because you don’t want to accept that “not Nazis” is good enough.
Smart.
Edit - I know that’s reductionist, but I’ve had this argument too much. My comment above highlights a way to course correct in the democratic way, without condemning this country to the Republicans to a point of no return.
I’d say the idea of using the primary to voice concerns about what’s happening in Gaza is the least harmful path for people who really care about stopping fascism in both countries. Dems need to really hear that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, and voting uncommitted is literally the least you can do.
Dems stand to lose a lot of votes if they continue to be silent for the “hug Bibi” policy.
Also, sorry, but I don’t understand what alternative you’re suggesting for this course-correction. Can you clarify?
For the record, my proposal is to hash this conversation out during the primaries and then go all-hands on deck for Dems in November. Because we have to.
I was mistaken, the comment I was referring to was in a different comment thread
Basically, promote progressives in the lower elections, get the foundation needed for a progressive presidential candidate to succeed.
I’m glad that you have the mindset to vote blue in the end. My issue here is that a lot of Lemmy progressives have at least indicated that they will boycott the party come November. Which is a big fucking problem.
And messaging like this only serves to siphon off votes, despite the technical distinction between primary and general elections.
I agree there’s a problem, and I agree about supporting progressive candidates when available.
I think this is being taken as the only option mostly because a lot of strong progressive voices sat out this primary.
Fair enough, to your point about people on Lemmy planning to make mistakes in November. I suspect those people aren’t the same ones voting uncommitted in the primary, though.
I mostly see those as motivated progressives trying to raise an alarm so Dems can course correct here. If Dems listened, they might give us more ammo to persuade those Lemmy users who aren’t on board.
I understand your position, and I worry what will happen if Trump wins as well. But my position is not “hand the country over to Nazis.” My position is actually “we are currently handing our country over to Nazis and we need to stop!”
More like all it takes is one Republican president to completely destroy the country. The fact that we’re even at this point, despite all the “checks and balances” should tell you that the “generational damage” is unavoidable at this point. What’s really gross is that liberals assign the blame to other leftists rather than uniting on these causes and forcing Biden and the DNC to be better.
I’d like to make an analogy. This is a much lower-stakes example, but several years ago, there was a huge push in the gaming community to stop preordering. If a development company hits their sales numbers with preorders, why bother delivering what you promised? Why bother even delivering a working game?
It is the same in politics. By giving the DNC and Biden your vote now, by loudly proclaiming that Biden is the only choice, you are saying that there is no need for course correction. There is no need for them to push harder on healthcare, or climate change, or wealth inequality, or any other issue, because you’ve given your power away. And because of that, we stay at the brink of collapse (and arguably inch closer), where one Republican president is all it takes to destroy everything we’ve tried to build in this country.
Edit: I really should clarify that we lose our power by not seriously considering other candidates and political parties. I don’t want to advocate for simply not voting. There are people out there who want the job but don’t want to bend the knee to capitalists.
So your solution is to just hand the country over to the Nazis because you don’t want to accept that “not Nazis” is good enough.
Smart.
Edit - I know that’s reductionist, but I’ve had this argument too much. My comment above highlights a way to course correct in the democratic way, without condemning this country to the Republicans to a point of no return.
I’d say the idea of using the primary to voice concerns about what’s happening in Gaza is the least harmful path for people who really care about stopping fascism in both countries. Dems need to really hear that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, and voting uncommitted is literally the least you can do.
Dems stand to lose a lot of votes if they continue to be silent for the “hug Bibi” policy.
Also, sorry, but I don’t understand what alternative you’re suggesting for this course-correction. Can you clarify?
For the record, my proposal is to hash this conversation out during the primaries and then go all-hands on deck for Dems in November. Because we have to.
I was mistaken, the comment I was referring to was in a different comment thread
Basically, promote progressives in the lower elections, get the foundation needed for a progressive presidential candidate to succeed.
I’m glad that you have the mindset to vote blue in the end. My issue here is that a lot of Lemmy progressives have at least indicated that they will boycott the party come November. Which is a big fucking problem.
And messaging like this only serves to siphon off votes, despite the technical distinction between primary and general elections.
I agree there’s a problem, and I agree about supporting progressive candidates when available.
I think this is being taken as the only option mostly because a lot of strong progressive voices sat out this primary.
Fair enough, to your point about people on Lemmy planning to make mistakes in November. I suspect those people aren’t the same ones voting uncommitted in the primary, though.
I mostly see those as motivated progressives trying to raise an alarm so Dems can course correct here. If Dems listened, they might give us more ammo to persuade those Lemmy users who aren’t on board.
I for one already voted uncommitted, and unless the genocidal ethnostate gets cut loose I’m not voting for Biden in November
I hear you. Hope the administration hears you too, for all our sakes.
I understand your position, and I worry what will happen if Trump wins as well. But my position is not “hand the country over to Nazis.” My position is actually “we are currently handing our country over to Nazis and we need to stop!”