I don’t like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn’t going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he’s publicly told Israel to “finish up their war”. He’ll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn’t a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it’s a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy’s, and “sticking it to liberals” and “refusing to support genocide” (that’s not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way – a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump’s campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I’ll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there’s a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

  • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
    32·
    9 months ago

    Yeah, well, tough. One of 'em’s gonna. And it might as well be the one who at least pretends not to be a genocidal dictator.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      6·
      9 months ago

      So it’s fine if he’s actually a genocidal dictator? Just as long as you have some sugar with it eh?

      • glockenspiel@programming.dev
        9·
        9 months ago

        Biden is a genocidal dictator?

        And people insist that the far left isn’t blue Maga and then I witness crazy similarities like this be normal here.

        Like it or not, a vote against Biden (or no vote at all) is tacitly supporting the Republican takeover and implenetation of project 2025, regression and perseuction of LGBTQ and immigrants in our societies, and wild escalation in the middle east as Trump and Republicans have promised to do vis a vis Gaza.

        Folks, yall gotta deradicalize a bit. Put another way, what does it say about you that you’d rather allow a person like Trump, who wants to implement a final solution type deal, than a person like Biden who isn’t so crazy and even walking back? You don’t have to love these people. But if you could do so right now, and HAD to do so, would you vote to a hurt 1,000 gazans or millions of them? That’s the choice you MUST make in November. Even sitting it out is a choice.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          4·
          9 months ago

          And it might as well be the one who at least pretends not to be a genocidal dictator.

          God you guys are fucking annoying with your ignoring the context. If he’s “At least pretending not to be” that means he is. So this guy up there @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social is basically saying he’d vote for a genocidal dictator with sugar versus a genocidal dictator with leather.

          And Biden is walking back so far he gave them another eighteen hundred 2,000 lb bombs today. And you know what I realized last week? This is the same rhetoric Hillary Clinton ran. That it would be the last election if Trump was elected. And you know what? The red states still have a bunch of laws on the books allowing their state legislatures to overturn the state vote. So if we’re not getting the chance to vote again, it’s because the democrats ignored the GOPs actions and tried to act like it was 1992. Again.

          • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
            4·
            9 months ago

            Again, one of them will come to power regardless. If anyone in this entire goddamn thread read the original post they’d know why voting third party is pointless.

            • Maggoty@lemmy.world
              1·
              9 months ago

              I didn’t say I was going to vote third party. I’ve got some local stuff to vote for but that’s pretty much it as far as I’m concerned right now. And to the entire guilt trip thing, I’m not doing the hostages thing. I’ve voted blue my entire life only to watch the Democrats jump at the chance to move further right every single time. They are not going to save you.

    • Lemmy@lemm.ee
      1·
      9 months ago

      Vote for a different canadite besides Trump and Biden. Why are you wasting your vote on someone you don’t like?

      • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        Here’s a copy paste of the first paragraph of the original post. Maybe you’ll read it this time.

        I don’t like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, like ranked choice or approval, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

        I’m not wasting my vote on a third party candidate because I know they can’t win even if God himself came down from the heavens and held a sermon telling people to vote for them.

        • Lemmy@lemm.ee
          1·
          9 months ago

          Well, maybe just stop having that mentality and things will change? I’m still going to vote for someone else, I don’t care. It’d be better than not putting a vote in at all.

          • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            Well, maybe just stop having that mentality and things will change?

            Did you read a single word I wrote?

              • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                Let me make it simpler, since it’s clear leftists can’t read.

                Even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win.

                Third party candidates. Do not have. A chance.

                Voting for them is a waste of a vote. Vote for Biden, to at least increase the odds that Trump will lose.

                • Lemmy@lemm.ee
                  11·
                  9 months ago

                  I’m going to vote for Trump just because you said that ;P

                  • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
                    1·
                    9 months ago

                    Oh thank God, you’re a troll. I was scared for a moment there.