The King "remains wholly positive about his treatment", says Buckingham Palace.
  • DessertStorms@kbin.social
    15421·
    9 months ago

    I was happy for a second and then remembered that karma is a bad take and that he will be getting the absolute best available healthcare and even if he does die, he will be doing so having gotten to old age, in extreme luxury and in more comfort than any of us will ever experience.

    I worry that if he does die soon it will only embolden royalist sentiment in this country as the grieving masses will cling on to the “young king” which the media will spin as “progressive” or whatever, and we’ll just keep getting further and further away from abolishing this disgusting establishment.

    We seriously need a King Ralph type thing to happen, only the people take over, instead of a stereotypical American. Turn Buckingham palace in to a community centre with a kitchen and a shelter and childcare and a free mental health clinic, and put those gardens to actual use…

    • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3423·
      9 months ago

      I can understand you wanting to abolish the royal family (I do too), but I can’t understand your hatred of him personally, to actually be happy he has cancer. He doesn’t seem like a bad/evil person to me

      • atomicorange@lemmy.world
        6013·
        9 months ago

        You don’t exterminate mosquitoes because they are evil, you get rid of them because they are parasites, unable to exist without feeding on you and your loved ones. They are disease vectors, it’s us or them.

        The royal family feeds into hierarchical structures. They benefit from our subjugation. They knowingly and intentionally contribute to death and misery worldwide for their own benefit. If Charles was a decent man he’d abdicate.

      • DessertStorms@kbin.social
        397·
        9 months ago

        If sitting on a gold throne, in a gold room, riding around in your gold carriage, covered in jewels, none of which were (or ever could be) “earned”, but rather pillaged, without even knowing what a days work feels like, while the people you’re parading your “god given right” to lord over, and whose wealth you hoard privately overseas, are having to choose between heating and eating as they work 3 zero hour jobs just to survive - isn’t considered evil in your mind, it is your moral compass that is the problem, not me feeling momentary joy when a cancer gets cancer.

      • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
        297·
        9 months ago

        He cheated on his wife, very publicly for years. Idk about your views but maintaining a mistress immediately excludes you from being a good person. Charles was a prick for a long time before he started committing to charity, conservation, social outreach programs, etc

        • Swuden@lemmy.world
          2211·
          9 months ago

          No disagreements about about him being a prick, but wishing cancer and even death on another person seems pretty wild to me.

          • DessertStorms@kbin.social
            1811·
            9 months ago

            Please point to where anyone wished cancer on anyone?*

            Also, the fact that people don’t feel sorry for the filthy rich old man getting what is almost certainly an age related disease (because it’s not like he was exposed to the levels of shit food and air and stress that gives the rest of us cancer), is wild to you, but the existence of a “god appointed” ruler that leeches off of his people while they struggle to survive isn’t, says a lot more about you than me not giving much of a shit does about me…

            *E: you know what? Even if I had, wishing death on a person whose entire existence depends on the oppression (and death) of others on a mass, almost unimaginable scale, is still less morally repugnant than defending them. ¯\(ツ)/¯
            Eat the fucking rich - they’ve brought it on themselves.

          • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            97·
            9 months ago

            I don’t think that wishing death on someone is always bad but I don’t really get it for King Charles

      • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
        6·
        9 months ago

        But he was only happy for a second and since they believe in karma, now they aren’t happy. Nobody said no take backs so they’re probably good.

    • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1910·
      9 months ago

      Karma is a lie white people tell themselves so they can continue to believe there’s justice in this world.

    • twinnie@feddit.uk
      1852·
      9 months ago

      What exactly do you hate about him? Is it his stance on climate change or the Prince Trust maybe? The Royal family are an important source of culture, tourism, and soft power when the UK’s overseas influence is waning. What good to you think will come of getting rid of them?

      • Zellith@kbin.social
        495·
        9 months ago

        The Royal family are an important source of culture, tourism, and soft power

        The Royal family isnt an important source of tourism.

        • atp2112@lemmy.worldEnglish
          291·
          9 months ago

          Palaces like Versailles and Sanssouci get millions of visitors every year without a group of racists and pedophiles around and actively in power to give it some greater meaning.

      • SanguinePar@lemmy.world
        383·
        9 months ago

        What good to you think will come of getting rid of them?

        We’d become a proper modern country where the person who represents the nation is chosen by the nation? We’d move on from a system where who’s up front simply depends on who their mum or dad were? We’d rid ourselves of a system trained with centuries of imperial exploitation, racism and subjugation? We’d open up new tourism opportunities, with the palaces and castles being available for anyone to visit, a la Versailles?

        And that’s just off the top of my head.

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
        232·
        9 months ago

        The UK truly is in shambles if their tourism industry and culture depend on a cabal of ghouls siphoning vast amounts of wealth from the people purely for show.

        Personally, I like to think the people of the UK have a lot more to them than their vestigial rulers.

    • Big P@feddit.ukEnglish
      3213·
      9 months ago

      So brave and controversial of you to pretend he’s just a random man

      • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
        31·
        9 months ago

        But he literally is an ordinary guy. The most consequential thing he has ever done with his life is to be born into an arbitrarily special family where he lived in luxury and prominence for no other reason than he continued existing. He is nothing more than an ordinary guy with extraordinary luck.

        • Big P@feddit.ukEnglish
          22·
          9 months ago

          Luck or not he is the king, so he’s not just a random guy. Pretending to not undeerstand that fact just to make a point adds nothing to the discussion

      • ARk@lemm.ee
        521·
        9 months ago

        So brave and controversial for you to be eating downvotes for not being in the hivemind

    • psud@lemmy.world
      1010·
      9 months ago

      I care, I don’t like him and like the chance to cheer for the cancer

  • kandoh@reddthat.com
    7718·
    9 months ago

    It will be so funny if he takrs a sharp turn downhill and dies. Dude was famous for never getting a chance to be king and then to go out so quickly would be * chef’s kiss *

      • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        71·
        9 months ago

        Do you think they have any compassion for the random proles like us? Like they could divest themselves of wealth to help people, and just live luxurious lives instead of gold flakes in food lives.

        I think any human being with enough compassion to deserve treatment as anything more than a hostile enemy would do that

        • sunbeam60@lemmy.one
          66·
          9 months ago

          I think they’d have compassion enough to not laugh at somebody’s cancer diagnosis, yes.

          I’m all for disliking the institution. Doesn’t mean I think he deserves to have cancer or it would be funny if he died.

          • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            8·
            9 months ago

            He literally chooses every single day to actively ignore the plight of the people he claims to rule. He does nothing

            Every single day he actively chooses to ignore suffering, probably even cracks jokes about it, while actively working to preserve his enormous privilege and protect his kin from facing consequences for their heinous actions. He stands at the head of an institution of violence, racism, cruelty, and exploitation and every single moment of his life he chooses to side with that over any earnest attempt to redeem their reputation.

            The entire justification for their privilege is so insane it makes phrenology look respectable.

            He is horrible, he could help so many people with a few words and the equivalent of pocket change but he chooses not to for fear of starting a process that ends with him living as one of the ordinary citizens he claims to protect. It’s fucking bananas that you think there is some moral reasons to extend civility to such a monsterous person.

            • sunbeam60@lemmy.one
              11·
              9 months ago

              If you think I’m defending the monarchy, think again. I’m defending compassion.

              • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                4·
                9 months ago

                It’s not brave or noble to police expressions of anger at oppressors it’s just foolish. It won’t make society better, civility is just a tool the powerful use to enforce the status quo.

                He chooses to let someone starve over feeding them, this is fine a civil behavior. I call him a fucking cunt for doing that and wish death upon him and this is uncivil behaviour and I lack compassion? nonsense, it is compassion that fills me with rage.

    • Xer0@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1221·
      9 months ago

      Imagine anyone saying that about one of your family members.

  • computerscientistI@lemm.ee
    561·
    9 months ago

    The royal family, including Charles are big proponents of homeopathy. Let’s see how much homeopathy is going to help him now. I’m sure at least as much as those alternative methods Steve Jobs chose helped him, back then…

  • Bobmighty@lemmy.world
    7120·
    9 months ago

    I love the people in here standing up for him lol. An absolute fuckton of people die every day. Basically every moment has human death in it. No one defending him cares a single wit about them, but they’ll get wound up over this old man dying of something many many people die of daily.

    Considering everything that’s come out about the royal family, I can’t find a single care in me for him. I feel more for the countless faceless strangers dying worse deaths. This old pampered fuck will die well in comparison. He doesn’t need any sympathy from me.

    • Sagifurius@lemm.ee
      213·
      9 months ago

      Nah, he was doing his dream job the whole time, running a research farm and advocating for sustainable farming practices. Soon as he became king, he had to stop with the targeted advocacy.

      • set_secret@lemmy.world
        182·
        9 months ago

        he also advocated for homoeopathy…maybe that’s what he’ll treat his cancer with (i hope so)

        • BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
          92·
          9 months ago

          I recently got the side-eye from a lot of people because I said that homeopathy is not the same as natural remedies.

        • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
          51·
          9 months ago

          Ah the Steve Jobs treatment method, maybe he’ll adopt the fruit diet. Shame Harry gave up his claim, he seemed like the one with Lizzie’s spirit

  • LanternEverywhere@kbin.social
    39·
    9 months ago

    Prostate cancer is very common, very survivable, and very easily treatable. It’s a serious health problem, but he’s almost definitely gonna be fine

    Me fail reading comprehension. The article says it’s NOT prostate cancer

  • jordanlund@lemmy.world
    371·
    9 months ago

    Would be weird for the longest serving monarch to be replaced by the shortest serving one.

    Which raises a good question… who was the shortest serving British monarch?

    Oh, of COURSE there’s a Wiki for that…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_monarchy_records

    "The shortest-reigning monarch was Lady Jane Grey who ruled for 9 days from 6 July until 15 July 1553 (although she was only proclaimed queen by the Lords of the council on 10 July). Her husband Lord Guildford Dudley was her consort for the entire reign, making this the shortest tenure of the male consort of a female monarch. Note: Jane’s reign is disputed.

    The king with the shortest definitively known reign was Edgar the Ætheling who ruled for 2 months, 12 days in 1066 before submitting to William the Conqueror. Some records indicate that Sweyn Forkbeard reigned for only 40 days in 1013–4.[7]"

    Queen Elizabeth II died 9/8/2022, so Charles has already been in 514 days. He’s good…

    • Chainweasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      461·
      9 months ago

      No, he’s completely out of the running unless all of King Charles children and grandchildren mysteriously die

    • Lath@kbin.social
      25·
      9 months ago

      I think it’s primogeniture monarchy, so it’s from parent to child. Next in line is Charles’ firstborn.

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        4·
        9 months ago

        Don’t knock it, we get a day off when they die and a day off when we get a new one.

        Sometimes we get a day off when they’ve been on the throne for a set number of years.

        So for that reason I’d like to keep them.

        Give us two extra bank holidays a year, and you can King Ralph all these motherfuckers.

      • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
        41·
        9 months ago

        I mean, it did bring more money into the economy than it took out of it, same with Queen Elizabeth II’s funeral, so we could profit off of this

    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
      6·
      9 months ago

      And least he got to be king first :P

      I haven’t seen any new coins yet with his face on it. It may be the shortest run of coins with a new face. I’ve had the same face on my coins for my entire life, these will be the first with a new one.

      • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        Shortest run was probably Edward VIII. My dad found a coin with Charles’s face on it. I also bought a few commemoratives. I think it’ll probably start appearing on £1 coins soon as they are the newest

    • ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
      559·
      9 months ago

      I have 0 sympathy for monarchial families living off the backs of UK taxpayers for… Centuries :|

        • ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
          264·
          9 months ago

          As an American, if I got cancer like this dude has, having a job there is a very high chance I’d be destitute IF I lived. World class medical treatment off the backs of his subjects… yeahno my dude, worlds smallest violen playing.jpeg

          He can wipe his cancer tears up with whatever the largest denomination of pounds you guys use is xD

          • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
            103·
            9 months ago

            But he’s British and we have a good NHS so that’s kinda a weird argument

            I hate the royal family but for reasons that many sense

          • Scribbd@feddit.nl
            85·
            9 months ago

            And when a president gets COVID he gets drugged up and gets the best treatment on the taxpayers dime. While the people are left with life shattering medical debt.

            While these subjects can get medical treatment, for just a fraction, and no debts… Like the king…

            So what is your point?

            We have been playing the whole sad orchestra for you guys, seeing you push out this attitude like it is a win over something.

            • ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
              32·
              9 months ago

              The president has an actual job tho??? Like wat lmao 🤣 and if you think the king is getting the same medical treatment as Mr jo British bong water, I have some EU membership to sell you.

              • Scribbd@feddit.nl
                1·
                9 months ago

                A new tiny violin joins the choir.

                And it is not the dig you wish it is. As it portrays even more that anyone in the UK, even those without an actual job, can get medical treatment without fearing massive medical debt.

                • ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  That’s not addressing my point of… Why is the king receiving preferential treatment? His role is ceremonial. You could make the argument he’s paying for private treatment (I don’t know if he is or not), if he’s not why does he get to skip the NHS cancer treatment wait list? If he is paying for private… What exactly has he personally done to allow him to have the ABILITY to pay for said treatment:| Not saying all the royals wealth should be seized for the peoplez, more why is his families life style still to my understanding being subsidized by British tax payers? The tourism they bring in would still be coming, it’s not like they’re going to sell Buckingham palace if the gov stopped paying for their shit.

          • Hadriscus@lemm.ee
            31·
            9 months ago

            I’m not sure I follow. I know health insurance in the US is often tied to a salaried job, so if you have one, then why would you be destitute ?

            Now I’m not British, but I agree with the sentiment

            • ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
              16·
              9 months ago

              If you have seen breaking bad, the premise of that show is an apt description. Insurance companies here will often deny you necessary life saving medical treatment for… reasons

              Other example: a woman with a family history of breast cancer was denied a doctor recommended mammogram to check on some potentially cancerous lumps because she has… Already had too many mammograms.

              Profit incentive in the healthcare industry is no bueno:|

            • A Phlaming Phoenix@lemm.ee
              5·
              9 months ago

              Because insurance pays for a portion of your treatment, rarely 100% of it, and the moment you start racking up bigger bills, insurance starts looking for ways to not pay your claims. They’ll put a hold on payment until you call them and broker a deal or they go back and forth with your doctor demanding that you receive some treatment other than what that doctor recommends.

              I have Crohn’s Disease, an autoimmune disorder that is often treated with immunosuppressants. First, they did not want to pay for my initial “loading dose” because it has to be done by infusion. That’s a ~$25,000 procedure (3-4 hours on an IV). I talked them into it by telling them that only the first dose would be by infusion and the rest by self injection.

              But when my company decided to pay for a less expensive insurance plan that started at the beginning of the year, they suddenly didn’t want to pay for the injections either. Now I owe 30% of the cost of my injections. That’s almost $4,000 a dose that I take every 8 weeks, about $25,000/year.

              So now I use a coupon program through a separate company, and they bill the remainder of the balance to the company who produces the medicine who give me a $21,000 annual credit toward paying the remainder. So now to get my medicine I must coordinate between my doctor, a specialty pharmacy, my insurance provider, a company that runs the coupon program, and the company that produces the medicine… Just to get a syringe delivered to me on a schedule. And the credit probably won’t last until the end of the year; I’ll probably end up shelling out a few thousand for my meds around Christmas time this year.

              If any of the complicated web of companies that collectively get me these meds doesn’t have everything lined up in their system, I don’t get my meds. My last dose was almost three weeks late to me because of all the calling around I had to do. Because we don’t have a central health care authority, that means each company maintains their own system of record. Each phone call involves working through a phone tree to get to a human agent, working through the same set of identity verification steps with them, explaining the situation over again to a different person every time…

              It’s a real pain in the ass, and they do it on purpose to get you to give up. Having insurance doesn’t mean your health care is paid for, and you pay a premium (hundreds of dollars) on every paycheck to keep the insurance that still doesn’t pay for your medical costs. Having health insurance does not mean you don’t still pay through the teeth for your health care. Having health insurance does not mean that health care is accessible to you. Having insurance that makes health care accessible today does not mean they won’t change the rules behind your back, and that you will still have access to health care tomorrow.

              • Hadriscus@lemm.ee
                2·
                9 months ago

                what the actual fuck… thanks for sharing your story and I wish you courage. Have you considered moving ? given the severity of your condition ?

                • A Phlaming Phoenix@lemm.ee
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  It’s always a consideration, but the question is where would we move to (and how much am I willing to uproot my family)? Canada is a nice place with a better healthcare system, so maybe there? But that’s expensive all on its own, and I have to consider that I have two autistic kiddos who are currently receiving their education at the best school in the state for special ed kiddos. Is it worth it? Maybe not. For now, I think we should stay where we are. I love it here, except for the high cost of my own care. Think I’d rather stick it out and fight for a better system here. Maybe we can improve things for everyone instead of jumping ship.

                • medgremlin@midwest.social
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  All things considered, their situation is not as bad as it could be. I had a job where one of my duties was to get prior authorizations for every procedure we did in an oncology-focused plastic surgery clinic. The vast majority of the procedures were breast reconstruction following mastectomy and skin cancer excisions. I had an insurance company demand documentation and evidence of medical need to close the incision site after excising the melanoma. They were gracious enough to allow the excision without requiring a prior authorization, but in order for the surgeon to close that incision (or in this particular case, fill in the area with a skin graft because the amount of skin to be removed precluded a simple closure), we had to file a mountain of paperwork on a tight deadline because the procedure couldn’t wait more than a week or so.

                  I’ve also worked in hospitals, and every hospital I’ve worked in has social workers on staff to help patients line up emergency insurance coverage or financial assistance for emergency medical care. I never actually saw the bills for it, but we treated a kiddo that was a bystander in a drive-by shooting that was transferred to our hospital from another ER so that they could have the pediatric trauma surgeons try to fix his femur. So that’s two top-level ER visits, an ambulance ride, an ICU stay, and probably a bunch of surgeries and associated hospitalizations…because this 2 year old got hit in the leg with a stray bullet. The total almost certainly topped 7 digits. Shit’s fucked, yo.

          • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            31·
            9 months ago

            i mean we have the nhs in the uk, so it’s not really the same as the us since everyone here has access to the nhs

      • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        67·
        9 months ago

        it’s pretty silly to say they live off the backs of uk taxpayers when royalist tourism brings in more tax revenue than anything.

      • UnfortunateDoorHinge@aussie.zone
        513·
        9 months ago

        The royal family brings in a net positive amount of revenue of you account for receipts from added tourism and spending. The expenses for shipping around the US President for example is another story.

        • Jojo@lemm.ee
          4·
          9 months ago

          I can’t speak for other tourists, but I don’t need the royals to actually still exist to be interested in seeing their accoutrements strewn about museums and to walk through their former palaces to admire the woodworking and gilding.

    • n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      142·
      9 months ago

      Do you want a list of the atrocities committed by the English monarchy?

      Hate for this family is deserved

    • EnderMB@lemmy.world
      209·
      9 months ago

      I dislike the royals, but ultimately any person suffering with cancer is deserving of sympathy.

    • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml
      156·
      9 months ago

      Please for the love of anything you love stop crying for monarchists and bring back the guillotine. For FUCKS SAKE YOU’RE LITERALLY THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE AGES SERF. GOD EMPEROR SHIT RIGHT HERE

      If any of you fucking liberals ever say ANYTHING about communist countries having cults of personality I’m going to haul ass and personally take shits inside your house that will leave you confused for years to come

    • Alien Nathan Edward@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      9 months ago

      for this guy, who leeches off the work of real human beings and hides child rapists from justice? absolutely, my hate for him is a source of strength and pride, I’m glad to have it on display.

    • Akasazh@feddit.nl
      105·
      9 months ago

      Yeah the news and world news subs really took a tumble of late. I came for some modicum of intellectual debate, but it’s a shame how quickly that derails.

    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
      23·
      9 months ago

      So if he croaks and his brother and sister and niece and her fried Stacie all croak, who’s going to be kind? You guess it! Rufus the cat.

    • joenforcer@midwest.social
      12·
      9 months ago

      Remember all the circlejerking about how Lemmy was kinder than Reddit? Nah it’s the same maybe worse, with a heavy heaping of communism sprinkled in.