Things didn’t end well for the last guy…
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Why do they have to work? Doesn’t it make more sense to shutdown US airports?
Or just run them without TSA, like we used to before 9/11
Because people need to eat.
Also, some air travel is essential.
Or do you want to stop medical couriers from delivering organs for transplant?
Lol the idea of a medical courier waiting in line at the TSA rummaging through their organ containers because they flagged it sus in the x-ray machine.
Are you trying to imply…that the medical couriers …are transporting …food?
You do know that ‘also’ is a word used to separate two different points, right?
Yeah but implying that medical couriers are selling their payloads on a cannibal black market is juicer than a fat mans liver.
With some fava beans.
And a nice chianti.
I’m not?
Juicer than a fat mans liver? I dunno man I never met you.
It would be a lot cooler if you were
They are only doing it in the first place because they need to eat
Or do you want to stop medical couriers from delivering organs for transplant?
The rich would give in long before this and have the mattered settled in an emergency meeting because they have places they want to go
You think they pass by tsa?
No, hence why I said shutting down airports
Yes, but private airports, or airstrips, exist and probably have little to no TSA involvement. Some guy nearby lands his helicopter in his back yard.
You one comment ago:
Doesn’t it make more sense to shutdown US airports?
You this comment:
The rich would give in long before this and have the mattered
Which is it? Does it make sense to shut down U.S. airports or is that something that wouldn’t happen?
How are you confused on that
If they were to announce airport shutdowns then the budget would be passed to prevent that
You didn’t say announce a shutdown. If you meant announce it and not actually do it, you sure weren’t clear about that since you said it would make sense to do it.
I get it, but having people feel bad for the TSA of all organizations is a tall order. Why not pick a less controversial gov agency effected like say the National Parks and Museums?
Probably because parks and museums usually just close whenever this happens, so they’re not working without pay. They’re just on an indefinite suspension
And yet I can feel for them more, If the TSA was gone tomorrow I could not care.
The way it setup it will not mean the removal of the stupid safety theater, it will mean the closing of the airport.
I know, and that makes me even less inclined to have sympathy for the TSA as a whole. I know I should feel bad for the people working at the TSA, but I can’t.
“let them eat cake” -Elon Musk
“Oh you’re not gonna pay me today? Guess I’m not working today.”
I can’t imagine coming in to work if I’m not being paid on time. Indeed, if there’s even a whiff of maybe I won’t get paid, I’m not coming in unless I’m paid in advance.
Every government worker that is told they’re not getting paid should do that. Money in my account now, before I come in to work.
Love this attitude. The harsh reality is, not everyone is a kid working at maccas and they have families to feed and bills to pay.
Not much difference toward feeding family or paying bills if you’re not getting paid. Better to take the time off and find a new job.
True, but isn’t this just late payment? It’s still absolutely abhorrent and I’d be fucking furious, I’m just saying a lot of people aren’t in a position to just leave. Getting paid a week late is better than losing your pay for 2-4 weeks while you look for another job.
There is no guarantee that they will get paid. For that to happen, congress will have to pass a spending bill that not only authorized future spending but also explicitly gives back pay for the time they were working without paying after the shutdown.
So far this has always happened, but I do remember some noises about not doing it around the last shutdown.
So especially after those comments last time, there is no certainty that if you come in to work for the government during a shutdown you will be paid.
There’s a reason the country lost credit rating, and it’s because people are slightly less confident that it will actually pay its debts, including simple payroll.
Congress passed a law in 2019 to ensure back pay for furloughed employees. Kinda moot for the moment though
The more I think about it, the more I can see this is a really good example of Hanlon’s razor.
If they were evil, they would not tell you they’re not paying you. They simply wouldn’t pay you. They’re actually stupid because they told people they expect them to work without getting paid.
I’m voting “both evil and stupid.” That is, modern Republicans.
Ok, but they can’t: for TSA not working is their job description. They work by not working.
The Wu Wei method of airport security
two memes in one post?
So is a South African buying his way into the U.S. presidency, but here we are.
You know, I’ve heard of a solution to the CEO problem recently thats making the news cycle…
Can’t build a wall tall enough for southafrica. Us Mex people know that.
this is why we need a wall tall enough to keep planes out /s
But that would required…a constellation of satellites capable of carrying a net that would wall off the country! Who could makr such a thing?
Theater of security isn’t helpful anyway. I say it’s even harmful, as it makes cars more attractive over public transport and get more shit in our lungs as result.
Unfortunately it wouldn’t come to removal of said theater, it will leed to unpaid employees doing a bad job
Indeed. Doing other way around is much better.
You’re kind of missing the point
Did we not abolish the TSA yet? Funny how we’re always losing ground on everything.
But TSA is a sham. Pure theater and makework.
Sure, but people still go there to try and make money for their livelyhood, sham or not they don’t deserve to be unpaid.
No, but they also deserve to do meaningful work, which the TSA is not. They should morph the agency and personnel into something that actually serves a function beyond security theater.
Agree. TSA could be doing more meaningful work for the amount spent
Bullshit jobs for a bullshit way of life.
They don’t deserve to be put on mind-numbing pretend work.
Musk and Trump showed me, that I don’t have to think about being a good enough person… Obviously I easily am (it’s enough not to kill/rape/extort,… who would have thought it’s so easy?)
But they’re going to get paid when the budget is approved again, right?
It’s a problem for who lives paycheck to paycheck, though
Most people making 50k are working 4th-next-paycheck to 5th-next-paycheck tho.
And Christmas accentuates the problem as we collectively decided that we need to spend a paycheck in useless stuff to gift each other
At least half of them voted for that. 🤷
Yeah we all hate Elon Musk, but government employees who work during a shutdown are reimbursed for full pay when the shutdown is over. Threads like this make me wonder how much of lemmy is high school sophomores. We don’t know how long this latest shutdown will last, but they’re getting to be almost a routine political tactic now instead of Congress doing its fucking job and taking care of its bookkeeping. This really isn’t a billionaire thing.
Doesn’t help that much if you live paycheck to paycheck.
Valid point of discussion, but that’s a much deeper level of thinking than 90% of the comments here.
They have bills that don’t wait for shutdowns to end.
This is absolutely a billionaire thing b/c it demonstrates that billionaires have no concern for the people they affect since they have the luxury of cash coffers that most Americans don’t have.
Look I’m not objecting to being angry at billionaires, but TBH there are millions and millions of people who don’t live paycheck to paycheck and aren’t inconvenienced by a delay in getting paid. You don’t have to be anywhere near a billionaire to be in that category. If you want me to be the enemy for not jumping up and down cheering for this post, fine - or get a sense of perspective.
I’m not sure if you realize this, but “millions and millions” is still “single digit millions”. The talking heads say things like “millions and millions” because it sounds like a lot, but that’s actually a minority.
That still leaves hundreds of millions of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck. In fact, they’re living at least 4 paychecks out on revolving debt.
Nearly half of Americans “at least somewhat agree” that they’re living paycheck to paycheck (source) - which means MORE than half are not. Clearly not “single digit millions” and clearly not a minority.
Anyway, what I said was that you don’t have to be anywhere near a billionaire. So please don’t conjure numbers out of thin air to counter this simple fact.
Please be a more conscientious consumer of media.
The source in that article is a an analysis of Bank of America’s internal data. It is not “half of all Americans”, it is “half of Bank of America customers”. Which already qualifies the dataset as people who have a bank account (and at that, one as expensive and hostile to low-income customers as BoA)
If it were more than single digit millions, it would be “tens of millions”. And even once you get to “over a hundred million”, you’re still talking of less than a third of Americans.
“Millions and millions of Americans” is something that spin doctors say to make you think that it’s a majority of Americans. It’s very far from it. “Millions and millions of people” may even be less than a majority of Minnesotians
Edit to add: This federal reserve study showed that 6% of American adults are completely unbanked (as in, no bank accounts at all) and 16% are underbanked (having a checking or saving account, but no other banking products or use alternative products like payday advance or money orders).
Further in the study it shows over half of Americans have carried a balance on a credit card in the past 12 months.
Or just don’t show up to work, and start looking for another job.
What they gonna do? Shoot you for “being sick and unable to report to work”?
Message for Government Employees: If you work a government job, DON’T GO TO WORK WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN. Fuck that BS, don’t let the government treat you like a slave. Calling out from work is not a crime (even if it is, fuck them anyways).
Go to work and do nothing but look for a new job on your phone. What are they gonna do, not pay you anymore?
All TSA agents should strike at the same time those days, wearing green hats and fake mustaches
Nothing would change, the TSA does nothing but harass lawful citizens.
Yeah lol, people would probably have a great travel experience and want to make it permanent. Strikes only work if your job is important to someone, otherwise they work against you
I’m gonna guess that the airports will shut down in the US if TSA is not available. They’re not just gonna let people through without any security in place.
They let people through unscreened on holidays. I let them buy me out of my ticket on a long weekend once and flying the next day was so nice. A few dozen of us were just waved past security and right to the gate. Just had to show we had a boarding pass. This was at a big Texas airport too.
If the choice is profits or security for customers…
But there’s probably some more systems that prevent it
Right, because all the terrorists are just waiting for an impromptu TSA strike.
They aren’t allowed to strike.
Disruption is the point of striking.
They are legally not allowed to strike. They would be fired immediately for dereliction of their position. It’s part of the negotiation when they take a federal job.
If the government is going to be derelect in its duty to pay its workers, then workers can do the same to their positions.
Though I would be looking for another job and quit without notice when one is found in this case. Fuck Musk. No one voted for his ass.
What will they do if all TSA agents are fired tho?
Have you met them? They’re basically otherwise unemployable.
Meh, I’m sure their local police force, who are toally well trained and organized and not filled with overweight people, would gladly accept them, just look at what the average cop looks like. These TSA agents will fit right in.
(Not that I want there to be more cops, but sadly thats where these people will end up. 🤷♂️)
The comment about weight was unnecessary, even though I broadly agree with the message.
I was imagining that their point was that police officers are supposed to be fit.
I have a friend who is a TSA agent and he’s a lovely and intelligent person. He took the job because it was the best thing available to him and federal jobs (usually) come with very good benefits and health coverage. He hadn’t seen a doctor for about 6 years before he got the job because his insurance and PTO was so terrible at his last job.
Yeah, there’s always some exception. Hope your friend is doing well.
So far they’ve gotten paid every time, just late.
So far…
If my job ever skips a check I’m not coming back until I get it. Fuck that. Everyone not getting paid because of this should stay home and let chaos happen. Cause some real consequences to Musk and the rest of them.
And they ripped out funding for pediatric cancer research. $250 million… or around 0.05% of president Musk’s net worth. Why do repubs hate kids with cancer?
Whoa whoa whoa you can’t go around funding kids healthcare. Then they are gonna become adult voters who expect more free healthcare.
You want kids who get to adulthood on the skin of their teeth, or kids who don’t get to adulthood at all. There’s no in-between.
Because they’re not profitable.
Also 900 million will not be going to North Carolina hurricane relief.
Cold heartless bastards
You mean the state that put this asshole in power?
Leopards getting fat here.
Assuming I did my math correctly these two things would have been a combined total of .002% of the federal budget.
Can’t buy a B2 with hurricane relief.
why can’t north carolina use hurricane insurance instead of relying on the feds?
Why can’t the government take care of it’s people instead of making them rely on private insurance? It’s the government. They should be doing things like taking care of their citizens during times of crisis.
this isn’t something unpredictable there are consistent tropical storms in North Carolina as with most of the south east United states.
Ummmmm this would be largely flood insurance and that’s a federal program.
Yeah, those people living in the (checks notes) mountains in (checks notes again) inland North Carolina knew the risks of not getting Hurricane insurance!
Technically it was a tropical storm. Case denied.
They want to strip away everything that reduces infant mortality, so that people start having more kids again since so many of them will die young.
Then later they give it back, and since they already took away the right to abortion… Boom, population explosion and a bunch of poor kids are born to later be exploited in factories and wars.
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If you don’t want to have an abortion, no one’s ever been forcing you.
Why you think it’s appropriate to force others is weird.
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Nah, you don’t really believe that.
You already know that in an abortion, no one is typically killing the fetus (which btw is less of a human than a chicken egg is human), they’re just removing it from the body it’s parasiting off of. Not the mother’s fault it can’t survive, and I’m pretty sure you’re for curing cancer or tape worm which also contain more human dna than a fetus does.
Besides, in many cases the fetus is already dead or terminal anyway.
And even if this was codified under law as murder, it wouldn’t be the mother doing it, but a licensed professional, much like police, soldiers or wardens.
Thats’s a lot of mental gymnastics to insert yourself into someone’s health care and sex life. That’s kind of weird…
Republicans have spread this myth that women use abortion like birth control. Just like the myth of the black welfare Queen, spitting out kids just to draw a check. It’s all bullshit and they know it, they just hate poor people.
tape worm which also contain more human dna than a fetus does.
Not that im disagreeing with your overall argument, but a fetus has 100% human dna… otherwise it wouldnt develop into a human lol
A fetus does indeed have 100% human DNA, but a tape worm has about 70% human DNA.
An 8 week fetus is about 20 g, an 8 week tape worm can become up to 30 ft, weighing several pounds. 70 % of a pound is more than 20 g.
And with the new slave mother laws, the fetus isn’t more than a handful of grams at the cut off date, making it all the more poignant.
I’m pro-choice, but saying a fetus doesn’t have human DNA is fucking retarded.
Imagine thinking a clump of cells is a “child” anymore than the mole on my ass.
It’s a fetus, not a child.
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No. A fully developed human would be post-pubescent. Until then you are either a fetus incapable of living outside your mother’s body, or a baby capable of independent life with some sort of care.
Fetuses are NOT babies. Stop being obtuse.
Okay, I don’t agree with the emotional concept that a fetus is a person innately, but I can at least understand where that type of thinking comes from. Claiming it’s a fully-developed human is just demonstrably wrong. You’re entitled to your opinion, but feelings aren’t facts. I sincerely hope this is a sad attempt at trolling.
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Claims science, states no actual science, strawmans up an example that isn’t related to the original in any way. claims gaslighting with no actual reference to gaslighting behavior.
No slurs or personal attacks, but i feel like you’re going for the subtle approach so you probably don’t need those right now.
Hmm, so this is up there, i feel like it’s missing something though, can’t quite place what, but i’ll keep an eye on the replies in case i spot it.
Anyway, 8/10 shitpost, good job, no notes.
While i have you, it sounds like you are a person familiar with how science works and will give me an actual answer rather than deflect.
What is the scientific definition of “parasite”?
What is your solution for fetal anomalies that will inevitably lead to stillbirth or death in the first few hours of life? What is your solution for pregnancy abnormalities that put the life of the mother at serious risk? What is your solution for women who are desperately trying to escape monstrously abusive relationships that got pregnant from marital rape or coercion?
Ooo, gaslighting. Another word you don’t understand. Keep going. I’m so close.
I’m trying so hard not to reply to this nonsense…
Do you believe people who are unresponsive and comatose for a long period should be kept alive despite the families wishes?
By definition a fetus is not a fully developed human…
A fetus is objectively not fully formed. What do you think its doing in the womb for all those months, just hanging out? When abortions happen its just a bundle of cells that cant think, breathe, or live on its own.
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Cancer
Cancer is a bunch of cells. By your logic it is immoral to treat cancer. Cancer has human DNA. Cancer can also live independent of the human that spawned it.
We should stop killing cancer too.
Yeah a bunch of cells which have FULLY FORMED into a person. Something a fetus has in no way done.
A coma involves brain activity in a highly developed nervous system, often with a high chance of recovery.
A fetus has a tiny, undeveloped nervous system, with no higher brain functions.
These are not at all equivalent. One is a person, and the other is not.
A tiny cluster of cells is not a “fully developed human”
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no u
Okay, troll.
Then how come they can’t survive without leeching off a host? 80% of pregnancies spontaneously end in miscarriage. That doesn’t sound viable or fully developed to me. If it could survive outside the womb, you’d have a point. But it can’t, so you don’t.
You know who was actually fully-developed? All the women who have died due to pregnancy complications thanks to draconic laws that take away their rights over their own bodies. I’ll hold you responsible for murdering them.
You clearly don’t know biology do you & are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ? BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. (2020)
- National Center for Health Statistics. (1999). Trends in Pregnancies and Pregnancy Rates.
- JAMA Network. (2020)
I hold you responsible for the billions of deaths of unborn children, because of your stupidity & selfishness & inhumanity
BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)
Sure, if you only measure after 6 weeks.
For women of reproductive age, losses between implantation and clinical recognition are approximately 10–25%. Loss from implantation to birth is approximately one third [39, 46, 48, 49].
A recent re-analysis [39] of data from three studies [46, 48, 49] concluded that, in normal healthy women, 10–40% is a plausible range for pre-implantation embryo loss and overall pregnancy loss from fertilisation to birth is approximately 40–60%.
You clearly don’t know biology do you
Says the person claiming a fetus is a fully developed human.
are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ?
Millions of people live in the jungles of the world. How many fetuses live outside wombs? Oh right, none. Because there’s a difference between having the skills to survive in the jungle, and being a fully developed human capable of independent biological survival.
Have you ensured that every single one of your gametes resulted in a child? Then you’re a genocidal hypocrite.
I assume you’ve adopted multiple unwanted children in the foster system including severely disabled ones, right?
Since you think that “unborn children” shouldn’t be “killed,” you’ve got to be a major part of the solution.
Tell me about your severely disabled kids you adopted from the foster system.
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Oh fuck right off with that bullshit. Abortions are a medical procedure. Women have died because they can’t get them. Or should we just let fetuses that die in utero rot inside the womb and kill the poor woman who lost her baby through no fault of her own?
That’s just one example off the top of my head.
Nobody wants to or is killing children. That’s some hyperbolic bullshit.
I just went through about 3 pages of their comment history.
Therein lies a tale.
There are no orphanages in the U.S.
Also, please name the 100% effective contraceptive.
Besides abstinence and surgical sterilization.
Fair, but I would suggest that married couples who want more than one child should be allowed to choose to have as much sex as they want until they’re ready to have that next child. Of course, anti-abortion crusaders never think about the fact that it isn’t just those dirty sluts getting abortions. Married people have sex too.
Get the fuck out of here
Is it too late to abort you? Because you blatantly fail at having a basic grasp on reality.
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You know what everyone hates more? A grown adult behaving like a kid.
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I don’t want nor will ever have kids, so please take it to heart when I say: You are behaving like an immature toddler.
For the double murder point, the fetus is classified as a potential human.
Why can’t I get life insurance on a fetus?
