Happy 6/21 everyone! Keeping up the tradition of a yearly Esix for the big day.
This is kind borderline for furry_irl, but I think with people memeing about 6/21 a bunch and with how small of a window it is, I’d prefer it here over furry. What are your tag(s)? >:3
fish order:score -animated
hand_holding, hug, kissing, rating:s
Trust me, those are the only tags you’ll find in my search history UwU
duckduckgo how to delete e6 historyOoh I search rating:s all the time! Though I do it with a dash before it first…
IMO: they need to add an Ai tagging feature to E621. Ai is basically purpose built for image tagging. Then users could upvote/downvote accurate tags the Ai suggested. If the tag is highly upvoted, then it could be added to the image. Welcome to my Ted talk.
Thanks for listening to my rant
AI is controversial morally and resource hungry. Why use an AI model and have users check it when the users could just add the tags themselves?
Because they don’t. Many images get uploaded to E621 with few tags, only enough to allow the upload. The other problem is that people may not be aware of the tags they can add. E621 allows for a lot of very specific tags. If a character is wearing a swimsuit, you could add that as a tag. You could also be way more specific and say what kind of swimsuit and what color. The goal should be to maximize the number of accurate tags per image so its easier to find what you’re looking for. Yes, Ai can be very resource hungry to train, but thats the trade off. I see no moral issue with training an Ai to identify commonalities between images and quantify those common elements. We aren’t using this Ai to replace artists, only help volunteers who tag their images.
I don’t know how to even add tags without having uploaded something myself… 😕
If you have an E621 account, click the “edit” button under the image. There will be a few boxes where you can enter in meta data about the image. This can include extra sources, general tags, descriptions, and parent posts.
Ah… It’s right next to the comment button; I assumed it was to edit your comment 🤣
How would you train such a model given that there isn’t much public domain furry art?
Thats probably the biggest challenge. E621 would have to make it an opt-in program. I haven’t read their ToS so it’s possible they already reserve the right to use the images uploaded to their site for any purpose they want. That wouldn’t be the right thing to do though.
- The problem you encounter is making it money efficiant since e621 is mostly non profitable besides selling the name and shilling the parent company while big AI models are REALLY power hungry. Mi****oft restarted whole nuclear power plant to manage energy demand.
- If you propose a smaller model there is a problem of human expercionism. In other words every artist has his own artstyle. So you need the model to recognize EVERY possible artstyle which means you need to train it on EVERY possible artstyle which is not possible right now while making the AI somewhat usable.
- Now let’s set all previous problems aside and say they have the power, knowlage, time, will and money. You now need to actually train the AI. For that you need the training material. “No problem” you say to yourself. You run the biggest furry art archive on the internet. Well, that is the thing it is an archive, not your art. So you would need to ask EVERY artist whose art EVER got uploaded to the archive if they consent for AI to be trained on art they made, which if you can contact every of them I guarantee 95% will say no. And I belive you now need to do the same for people who taged those art pieces to give the AI something to learn from.
- with all that work you are left with mediocre algorithm who is 80% accurate 20% of the time. .
- In conclusion AI is not a silver bullet for every problem, not even something like tagging since they are really not as amazing as big corpos make them to be.
TLDR >!AI is not a solution from moral, practical and economy standpoint!< . Of course I am open to other’s standpoint so correct me if I am wrong anywhere. :3
while big AI models are REALLY power hungry. Mi****oft restarted whole nuclear power plant to manage energy demand.
Training models is very enegry hungry. But using models can be ran on consumer graphics card. I suppose you can argue to include the training cost to using models, but the models are going to be trained rather you use them or not, so the point is just moot.
I don’t entirely agree, but your points are valid. I in no way believe E621 is non-profitable. If it wasn’t making money, it would go away. Second, it should 100% be an opt in system. It should also remain proprietary so nobody could use it outside E621. Getting artist on board wouldn’t be too hard if you made it clear that its explicitly for image tagging and not for generating spoofs of their art. Make it up front and clear that this is only for enhancing e621 and not stealing from them. I’ll just skip over the training point because there doesn’t seem to be a flaw in that logic. It will be expensive to train. I do dispute the accuracy numbers. Since this Ai would only suggest tags, it doesn’t need to be 90-100% accurate to be helpful. It just needs to put ideas for tags in the uploaders mind. As more tags are added to images, the Ai could also gradually improve.
I don’t have experience with models, but if there is a compatible free software model (E6ing is FOSS, though not GPL) which suggests tags with a reasonable degree of accuracy, sure. Given the way images are uploaded, if such a model suggested existing tags for all new submissions the uploader could validate, that’d likely be a great jumping off point instead of only a handful of tags and a +tagme. Maybe these suggestions could also exist within the tag editing page for others to validate in the future as well.
I love the idea of suggested tags. I’m not super familiar with Ai models, but it seems like using their current data to train something wouldn’t be too hard. They already have a bunch of images with accurate tags.
